Detention (imprisonment) - National Defense against "VIOLENT EXTREMIST AFFILIATES"

[vuniper]

In Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states plainly: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile." In wars between nations, detainees are referenced in the Fourth Geneva Convention. Yet now has come a time in which this has been counteracted...

Now we have come to the term "unlawful combatant"

Comments

[stewstewstewdio]

"shall be drawn to Washington as the Center of all power"

The center of power at the time of Jefferson was in Virginia. The Washington he was referring to was George Washington.

[stewstewstewdio]

Oh. BTW. The NDAA has been in place for the last 48 years. Your rants about it is just conspiracy theory.

[a_new_machine]

Er, the NDAA has, yes, but the detention provisions are newer than that. This is one of those issues that would be addressed (presumably) by the single-subject rule discussed in an earlier post. The detention provisions are still a decade old though - they simply affirm a power given by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force.

[onefatmusicnerd]

Nope, he was referring to the (unfinished, as of that time but named) city that was to be the seat of the national government, not to the ailing general collecting forces for War on France.

The center of power would have been in Philadelphia when those statements were made, but the Federal District was almost done, and Jefferson would end up there in just two years.

[underlankers]

I don't see the implausibility in Al-Qaeda conducting 9/11. It was a bunch of kamikaze attacks with jet airliners into buildings. It's not a very sophisticated concept, the sophistication that was there was in the scale and audacity of four such attacks at one time. The USA re-establishing new Sedition Acts is a bad sign of how little the concept of government here has changed since the 18th Century. Oh, and linking to the CSA as any kind of free society is fucking bullshit, and leads me to consider this nothing but more libertarian whining about the government growing where you disapprove of it doing so as opposed to the military and crackdowns of a racially and religiously specific sort where criticism is muted at best.

[underlankers]

For that matter, Jefferson's little scruples didn't stop him from annexing the entirety of the Louisiana Territory, which renders using him as an appeal to authority suspect above and beyond that of a logical fallcy. Why people treat the Founders as though they were the authors of the US Quran and Hadith alike I don't understand. They were men of their own time, no more and no less, and the Constitution is a political document, not a religious text.

[vuniper]

Of course its not a religious text but some had insight by looking at the past and knowing things would get updated of course... my concern is not with the presidents of past but the knowledge that the checks and balances themselves are out of balance. We have gotten to a point where we allow 30 days between any sudden change in these laws and when they are to be reported...

read quote from act lower in commentary

[underlankers]

On the contrary, it is a religious text to today's so-called conservatives and like all religious texts read by fundamentalists it's read selectively in a fashion suiting a different era from when it was written in the eyes of a different culture.

[paedraggaidin]

Pfft. Univedrsal Declararion of Human Rights. Geneva Convention. The Bill of Rights. We're Americans! No limp-wristed European pansy is going to dictate how we deal with Mohammedan terrorists on our own native soil! Things like freedom of religion and the Fourth Amendment are for good, Christian Americans!

At least, this is what I gather must be going through the minds of our national-security zealots.

[vuniper]

:) Firstly, I am very American ... check out act quote below

[onefatmusicnerd]

Well, it does not apply to citizens or to legal residents, and it seems to give local law enforcement better access. There are periodic reviews and I see nothing about actually allowing the military to make these arrests.

As long as it applies to organizations that give support to terrorists other than Al-Qaeda, I am in support. The North Carolina Southern Baptist Convention has long gotten away with the material support that member organizations gave Eric Rudolph.

[underlankers]

That means it would suck to be Peter King and Congresscritters given how many of them donated to the IRA.....

[terminator44]

Doesn't it seem funny that the U.S. government can give aid to terrorists yet no one else can?

[vuniper]

...it could easily change tho they dont need to inform changes for 30 days... read more below

[vuniper]

It is the (c) UPDATES.-The Secretary of Defense shall notify the congressional defense committees of any significant
change to the policies and procedures described in the protocol submitted pursuant to subsection (a) not later than
30 days after such change is made. - is what makes me nervous personally . . .

[onefatmusicnerd]

The DoD can not actually change the law... You are nervous over a change in paperwork requirements taking 30 days for notification?

[vuniper]

no but law alterations don't tend to be closely paid attention to . . . and a lot can go wrong. Indefinate Detention = to much control (js)