Discussion time!

Sep 19, 2010 02:00

I wanna talk about sub!Tommy, and Twitter is confusing with all the different threads of conversation.

And, GO!

tommy joe is a pretty princess

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isolde13 September 19 2010, 06:07:00 UTC
Catcherofdreamz thinks that he's eager for approval from most people and that this could account for some of it.

I don't know him well enough to guess. But I'm pretty sure that Adam brings that out in him

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sulwen September 19 2010, 06:08:57 UTC
That's interesting and definitely possible...you can tell he wants approval from Adam, at the very least.

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thezerbitz September 19 2010, 06:10:46 UTC
agreed! Poor boy gets teased all show long- you have to hope Adam gives it up eventually!

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deliriousminuet September 19 2010, 06:36:35 UTC
Intensely so. If Adam jumped off a bridge Tommy would be over the side before he knew what was happening, there is not the slightest doubt in my mind. I wonder if that itself could be encouraged by submissive tendencies?

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sulwen September 19 2010, 06:14:48 UTC
This post needs pic and vid evidence. If only I had been more organized in saving media...

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vlredreign September 19 2010, 07:57:46 UTC
Just posted a pic. I'll repost it so that it's not collapsed.

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etharei September 19 2010, 06:20:46 UTC
Kinda tl;dr but I really wanted to mention this.

One (two?) of the reasons I love Tommy, and something that I don't think enough people in the fandom give him credit for, is the fact that he seems to be both a natural sub and very comfortable about it. There's a hella lot of cultural constructs involved in this, but at the risk of oversimplifying, masculinity is so tightly associated with heterosexuality and dominance that straight men find gay men ~threatening or ~offensive because being gay obviously means they're non-heterosexual, and possibly non-dominant, and thus challenge the idea of what it means to be ~masculine. (This is why it ties in with feminist theory, btw.)

I love that Tommy doesn't mind being seen as non-heterosexual, non-masculine, and non-dominant to an established gay man. This is a HUGE component in Adam's message of equality and embracing diversity. Like, here is Adam, the non-heterosexual man who is unapologetically sexual and pretty ~dominant. Contrast him with Tommy, the submissive, non-masculine, ( ... )

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sulwen September 19 2010, 06:27:04 UTC
I know I've seen you talk about this before, and it really is kind of shockingly amazing, isn't it? I mean, Tommy's never gonna be able to escape that image, not now. And he seems so very, very cool with it. I love that boy.

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etharei September 19 2010, 06:34:06 UTC
MOST LAID-BACK STRAIGHT DUDE ON THE PLANET. He's kind of ruined all straight boys for me, honestly.

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layniedane September 19 2010, 06:34:15 UTC
I respect the hell out of Tommy for this. :-) You've summed it up SO well.

Blows my mind, given my location and social experience....someone hetero being absolutely fine, and actually egging on, being assumed to be bi or gay!

Definitely impressed. Scores points with me.

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bones_2_be September 19 2010, 06:24:44 UTC
Lol, late here, I feel, but I wanna just jump in with a few things. For one, isolde, I have a thing for the hair-pulling too. Someone pulls my hair and my eyes close and its like, whooooa. No faking. I think for tommy to be having the reaction he does means he's into it. That alone isn't sub-proof though, so we can look at the other stuff. Eg, the knees buckling, the glances, the tiny touches.

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sulwen September 19 2010, 06:28:30 UTC
Not late at all, bb!

I can't make up my mind on the glances. I'm not sure if they're for the benefit of the audience or if they're for Adam, doing that flirty kiss me kiss me thing.

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isolde13 September 19 2010, 06:37:21 UTC
Not that this is any kind of proof but I will never forget toppy!Adam NY eve night. I think it was then.

"Come on, Tommy. Tommy, we're leaving." Finger beckoning.

"Ok."

WHO talks like that? My friends sure as hell don't talk that way to me. Tommy didn't argue, he didn't bristle, he just GOES. Because that's what he does when Adam's around

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neednotwant September 19 2010, 06:33:55 UTC
Shall I bear gifs? I can't find that one particular one.. AGH. but here :D


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sulwen September 19 2010, 06:39:10 UTC
YES, OMG BRING ME GIFS.

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eowyn_for_adam September 19 2010, 06:42:34 UTC
UNF - Tommy's right hand pulling Adam closer... and then the even-further-lean-in that Tommy does.
Yes, this is one of the ones I can't get enough of!

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on_a_halfshell September 19 2010, 06:47:33 UTC
How have I not seen this before? This is amazing!! I LOVE that Tommy has his arm around Adam. It looks like he's pulling him closer. Thanks for posting this.

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