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stupidcoyote

Every Human Being Has His Worth

Feb 28, 2009 17:47

If anyone, on any pretext whatsoever, tried to interfere with my work as a physician or educator, I'd throw him out. And if called into court, I'd ask him certain clear, simple questions that he'd be unable to answer without feeling ashamed for the rest of his life--because I'm a man who works, who knows what a human being is like inside, who ( Read more... )

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stupidcoyote March 1 2009, 13:18:50 UTC

Do u really want me to address this with what "other truth" I see? Because I can think of AT LEAST ONE statement that wasn't said that IS the truth.

shapeshft March 1 2009, 13:47:53 UTC

Do you think it would actually be helpful to say it?

stupidcoyote March 1 2009, 21:31:11 UTC

To whom?

To Eithne, yes. If she really thinks there is NO OTHER TRUTH to tell at this point, then I should tell it to her...

I don't think she is lying to herself though, I think she is lying to me. And I take that very seriously. I think she could think of a number of other truth's beside, it is none of ur business. I am not saying that is a falsehood, but to claim it is the ONLY truth (even the only truth relevant) is either delusional or deceptive.

So... In my opinion every thing that could be said was not. This COULD have gone a VERY different way... on many fronts. and I don't think the REAL issue was ever addressed because the issue of what information is whose business blew up in everyone's face.

Other then that, I don't think it would be helpful to say it HERE. Which is y I asked Eithne if SHE would like that to be the case. She hasn't answered yet.

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daisyrainwater March 1 2009, 04:03:20 UTC

The truth is subjective, therefore the truth is all there is. She (or he) believes in the truth of personal perception, whereas the expression of that truth could be perceived as completely false.

Maybe truth is lost in translation, maybe it's lost in expression, maybe there are too many truths and no nexus point where these truths meet in unity.

whatever it is, it's painful to experience.

I have to ask (myself) tho, about the nature of rhetoric and innuendo. If I just take an expression of "truth" at face value, do the innuendos exist?

If I decide to see innuendo, does this mean the innuendo exists, and if it does, then who created it? Me, or the person who offered the expression of truth that may or may not have held in the innuendo?

Innuendo, I don't know. Rhetoric? Hell, I can deconstruct any piece of the English language. That doesn't mean I should.

stupidcoyote March 1 2009, 21:31:51 UTC

Maybe truth is lost in translation, maybe it's lost in expression, maybe there are too many truths and no nexus point where these truths meet in unity.

I think this is true in general, but in the specific case of what I THINK I saw, I don't think it applies. I think folks understood the questions, and the answers. I know that the question was rephrased so as to try to be clearer in case there was a misunderstanding, and the same (or similar) answers were again given. I for one, understood the questions, AND the answers. I also understood repeating the question (and thus the answer) once... maybe twice... 3 times because there were more then one person asking at that point... but even by that time, please, ur getting (what seemed to me to be) obvious lies at this point... u have backed the querant into a corner. Stop, and let them out. ... or not as ur truth tells u to do...

I have to ask (myself) tho, about the nature of rhetoric and innuendo. If I just take an expression of "truth" at face value, do the innuendos exist ( ... )

daisyrainwater March 1 2009, 22:40:57 UTC

>>What was the answer u got when u asked urself?>>

When you're talking about innuendo, the imlpication is that the response is planned and I don't ever mistake stupidity/ignorance/lack of self awareness for malice.

I think many of the people you asked direct questions to are laboring under a lack of self awareness. They think they are not a group therefore they are not a group, their perception of reality is the only truth.

I think a conspiracy exists, therefore a conspiracy must exist. The only good service to the community is the one I envision, therefore, there is no other meaningful service to the community.

See. I don't believe there is innuendo, merely someone's version of the truth.

The problem is that no one can force self awareness on another person. We can only decide if the situation presented as is, is right for us.

stupidcoyote March 2 2009, 15:36:28 UTC

>>I have to ask (myself) tho, about the nature of rhetoric and innuendo. If I just take an expression of "truth" at face value, do the innuendos exist?

If I decide to see innuendo, does this mean the innuendo exists, and if it does, then who created it? Me, or the person who offered the expression of truth that may or may not have held in the innuendo?What was the answer u got when u asked urself? Y put this here if it is only self reflection for ur own benefit? What information do u want me to receive from these to paragraphs, just that u r thinking about these things? If all u r trying to tell me here is that u r thinking of these things, how does that apply to me ( ... )

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I'm from the government, and I'm here to help. shapeshft March 1 2009, 13:00:00 UTC

Part of a saying used in Chaos Magick (I'm sure you know it) states that "Nothing is true." What might that mean? Wouldn't it even be a tautology, because if it's true that nothing is true, then would it then mean that statement can't be true?

For me, the statement is a tool that makes me question, and as a tool it doesn't necessarily matter whether the statement itself is true or not. Thoughts that have occurred to me include:

Any statement of "truth" is not the truth itself, any more than a map is the land it depicts.

One thing, event, idea can reveal different "truths" depending on one's perspective, exactly as Daisy mentioned.

Therefore, single perspectives of "truth" cannot be the whole truth. There is always more that can be said, and it might in fact be impossible to say it all.

It is possible to hide truths from oneself, in order to avoid facing those that are painful. We've all done it. What may be left are "truths" that are kinda true, but not fully true.
One can go nuts trying to figure out the details of all the ( ... )

shapeshft March 1 2009, 18:10:19 UTC

P.S. I should have also stated that the difficulties above can be overcome, so while I'm concerned, I'm not disheartened. We can all play a part in making things better.