the other in hp shipping

[story645]

In fandom every difference is underlined, highlighted, and expected to cause all manner of distress and conflict.

DE/non DE ships are all over the place cause it's "the other" in triplicate. Someone shunned for his beliefs, capable of wickedness and therefore dangerous, and passionate about his cause? It's the perfect romantic hero, so long as you

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[masterofmystery]

Somehow this reminds me of Draco/Hermione (though Jo debunked that ship ages ago), though I can't tell if you'd be for or against it.

[story645]

Draco/Hermione isn't some thing that I ship, but it's a ship that I've seen pulled off really well. (Only works though when booth characters are royally screwed up and there really isn't a happy ending in sight.)

[tipsytoe]

Being the other definitely sucks, because this other is the subject of the conflict to begin with (not including how the other's family would react too).

I think that romanticism has a lot to play with it. You can play a lot with a family's reluctance to accept this different relationship.

This quickly reminds me of D/G; how their difference in social standings and political affliations matches perfectly with social and family differences.

[story645]

I think that there's a tendency to romanticize everything, hence characters get turned into Romantic archetypes. Everyone feels everything strongly, every action is a stand against something, and love beats all, even if someone dies in the process. Can't say I like it though, cause the HP books really aren't Romantic.

I was actually thinking of Draco/Gryff ships for the DE/non DE stuff, and it very much is one of those ships where both are "the other" to each other.

how their difference in social standings and political affliations matches perfectly with social and family differences.
Can you calrify? Cause you seem to be saying the same thing twice.

[tipsytoe]

Say for example, Malfoys are known to be very rich, and they have their political preference for Voldemort. And Weasleys are not very rich, and have their preferences towards the side of good (or anything against Voldemort). Therefore, their social standings match with their political affliations.

Yes, I think I seemed to be saying the same thing twice. Heh. Sorry about that. Oh, and while typing it out, I do realised that my statement has some loopholes. Not all rich wizarding families set their loyalties to Voldemort. :)

[story645]

Or poor ones their loyalty to Dumbledore - the Guant's for example. Generally it looks like there's a mix, which just plays into JK's general theme of blood - and the social standing and wealth that goes with it - not determining much of anything. Blood influences choices, but ultimately the choices are what matters.

[author_by_night]

Honestly, I think if done with plausible ships, DE/Non could actually work.

You would have to make both characters characters who were willing to see other sides, which is a key problem, but can be solved. Why is the DE evil? Perhaps the motive isn't to kill all Muggleborns, but something that's almost understandable, and he or she is willing to trace their footsteps and leave Voldemort. Similiarily, the non-DE has to be willing to forgive.

The problem is that fandom tends to use people who are not going to be willing to do that. Harry/Draco involves two characters who are both unwilling to see the other side, and who have way too much personal history to ever become a couple. They could form a sort of "understanding" if Draco were to join the "Light Side", but I don't think he'd ever come out and do it. The same with Remus/Snape, Harry/Snape, or Hermione/Draco

[story645]

I think that almost anything could work if done plausibly. How often is it done plausibly? Even canon ships aren't pulled off pluasibly too often

[maajaml]

I'll read the posts you've made and comment, sorry if I've been absent.

Or.. I'll comment those you'll make, I suck at this.

[story645]

You don't have to comment on everything/anything, don't worry about it. I've been way too absent to expect anyone else to be present.