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Feb 15, 2011 10:56

So, this is the requisite OMG HOLIC ENDED!!!!!!!!!!eleventyone11 post.

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hoshiko_2000 February 15 2011, 19:12:54 UTC
The thing is though, considering all the building up to this and the dramatic ending we had be anticipating, this was quite a let down.

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stillskies February 15 2011, 19:22:28 UTC
I would have to disagree. I never thought that the series was going to have a dramatic ending. The whole point of holic was actions and consequences. The dramatic ending was expected for Tsubasa. Honestly, ages ago, most people assumed that holic would end with Watanuki inheriting the shop - that was never meant to be dramatic.

The series ended the same way it began - with a wish. Personally, I found that to be much better than Tsubasa's convoluted yet dramatic ending.

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pinkuro February 15 2011, 20:14:57 UTC
I was waiting for Watanuki to turn into Fei Wong Reed (what? both wanted to bring Yuuko alive) so the cycle would be complete, so I'm kinda disappointed xD

Besides, I just think the ending was just too sudden, and too short. I think it didn't need to be dramatic, but maybe not so sudden, and a little bit bigger. When I read that chapter before the last one, I had no idea the next would be the last... (maybe I'm just stupid xD)

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stillskies February 15 2011, 20:55:05 UTC
If Watanuki had turned in Asschin, I would have disowned CLAMP forever. XDDD

I'll admit the ending was a bit sudden, but as soon as I saw the dream with the butterfly, I figured the end was coming up. We also got very little notice with the end of Tsubasa, so I kind of figured that the end would come abruptly. Granted, I didn't think it would be THAT abrupt.

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violett_crumble February 15 2011, 22:24:37 UTC
Fei Wong wanted to bring Yuuko back to life? I thought it was Clow who wished for that. :/

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pinkuro February 15 2011, 22:26:11 UTC
Wasn't Fei Wong? I don't know, I may have misunderstood, The end of Tsubasa was so confusing @.@

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dayanira February 15 2011, 22:05:41 UTC
Thank goodness. I was afraid there'd be more whining and cursing CLAMP, and saying how they forgot how to do their job :) Really, THANK YOU!
That's what I kept saying. You may not like the ending, but it FITS.
I myself wasn't particularly happy about it, since it made me very sad about everyone, but, damn it, it was a good kind of sadness. Like when you realize that there just was no other way for the story to end. I don't get all the disappointment.
Funnily enough until the end I was half afraid that Doumeki would turn out to be FWR. It was mostly because of the face XD Still, glad it wasn't so.

Ugh, I really want to ignore all the Kohane/Shizuka hints. REALLY. Just the whole idea of the pairing makes me... sick. Remembering how her story started, her interaction with the boys. It feels like spiritual incest to me >_< (and I don't even mind simple incest that much). So I'd much rather prefer to think that Doumeki married some random woman just to make a family. Though I realize this position is ridiculously weak >_Aw... I guess ( ... )

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violett_crumble February 15 2011, 22:27:19 UTC
The only problem I had with Tsubasa's ending was that we didn't get to see Kurogane and Fai hold hands as Mokona took them away. ^_^

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dayanira February 16 2011, 01:24:38 UTC
It worked perfectly for me, because everything was left open for imagination
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This kind of thing doesn't have to be officially confirmed, as long as it isn't completely dispersed ^_~

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stillskies February 16 2011, 00:09:45 UTC
It does fit. I knew that there was no way for HOLiC to end happily, so I was prepared for that around the time Watanuki fell from the window. Or possibly even before that. lol

Ugh. Shizuka becoming Asschin would have made me sick. He's my absolute favorite - I wouldn't be able to deal.

I prefer the idea of Kohane strictly because there was no way Shizuka would give up on Watanuki. He needed someone who would understand him and feel the same way. Hence, Kohane.

As for the spiritual incest... I always felt that she was Watanuki as an older brother, but never Shizuka. And I think Shizuka never treated her like a kid. Eh. I dunno.

I didn't hate the ending for Tsubasa, nor did I love it. I was meh about it. I was just glad it was over before there were suddenly Touya and Yuki clones.

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beccafiend February 15 2011, 22:22:05 UTC
I love you forever for saying this. this is exactly how I felt with the ending. I mean, yeah, there were parts of it that weren't what I would've done, if I were CLAMP, but, seeing as it is a CLAMP work, I thought it was extremely fitting and right. I never really expected this series to have a clear ending. It ended like it started, just like you said ( ... )

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stillskies February 16 2011, 00:23:49 UTC
Keep rambling!! I like rambling! XDD ♥

I doubt anyone would actually agree with Shizuka/Kohane - after all, for many it gets in the way of the twu wub of 104. Personally, I'm a Shizuka/Watanuki/Himawari shipper, so I had to come to grips with my OT3's death long before the end of the series. ^^;; After all, they married off Himawari pretty quickly.

For the people who thought the series would end with omg yaoi happily ever after and a definitive ending, I have to wonder if they were reading the same series I was. There are precious few gay pairings that are canon - everything else is subtext, and therefore fanon, even if the subtext is pretty damn heavy and beats us over the head with a mallet. I understand wanting to be optimistic, but because of the content of this series, it wasn't ever a possibility. After all, fandom assumed he was going to inherit the shop. That wouldn't have led to happy times.

/stops rambling now

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beccafiend February 16 2011, 03:44:14 UTC
Well, the only reason I don't like Doumeki/Kohane is because I still envision her as she was when she was a young child, so I just don't pair her with anyone, anyway. And I never really percieved any actual romantic thing between her and Doumeki, myself. It always seems strictly platonic/sibling like to me ( ... )

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stillskies February 16 2011, 05:12:59 UTC
That seems to be the viewpoint with a lot of people. I can see that, so I can see how that would be squicky. ^^;;

I've given up having hope for happy endings. It's funny, because when I was replying to you last time, I wrote that the majority of their endings were bittersweet then deleted it. XD;; But, yeah. Most of the endings aren't happy go lucky, either. In fact, my favorite series has a downright tragic ending.

I love my OT3 - romantic, platonic, angsty. ♥ I've written so much Himawari fic, and each one makes me love her just a little bit more. ♥

Continue to ramble by all means. ♥ I have few people to ramble about CLAMP with. lol

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nochick_fics February 15 2011, 22:30:10 UTC
My biggest complaint is that they forfeited divulging the details surrounding the rest of Doumeki's life for the sake of the big reveal at the end. I'm totally biased because he's one of my favorite characters in any series, but yeah, I think he deserved better than that.

Anyway, sure the ending fits. In a really shitty way.

/waits for the healing power of fanfic

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stillskies February 16 2011, 00:14:20 UTC
I honestly couldn't see another ending for the series. I also can not see a way where Shizuka would just allow himself to die and leave Watanuki alone. *shrug* Shizuka is my favorite character is as well, but CLAMP has this tendency to skip things that they feel are less important to do what they feel is important. Even if we disagree.

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