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[stevencwatts]

My posts lately have all been reviews. "Where's the fun?" you may ask. "Where's the good-natured ribbing, where's the non-sociopolitical rants?" Well, you're going to be 2/3 disappointed. But this time I have links! Actually, this is just an excuse to post up a few things I found interesting today

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[woekitten]

Pre-abortion councilling? Sure, though it's already more common than you might think (up here, anyway). The woman doesn't enter the clinic and say "one abortion, please," and the doctor doesn't automatically respond, "Hop aboard!" There's a lot of questions involved. Is this what you want? Is someone pressuring you into this?

Sonograms? Give me a break. If I want to hear more screaming about "THE MIRACLE YOU'RE DESTROYING!!!!11one", I just have to stand outside of Planned Parenthood and get beaten by plascards.

I would call it showing them what they're doing.Do you seriously think women aren't capable of visualising anything for themselves? It seems like every piece of abortion literature I've read is disgustingly one-sided, discussing the act as if it's either a daily sport for the Jezebels of the world, or the keystone of Free Speech that'll cause democracy to crumble if it's removed

[stevencwatts]

Let me rephrase. Required abortion counseling, performed by a professional. Asking "is this what you want?" isn't counseling. And yes, mothers can form their own mental image, but many probably attempt not to. Being slapped by a postcard is just a tad different from actually seeing your child move

[woekitten]

I read the article. Wasn't that impressed by it, which is why I posted here.

Also:

And yes, mothers can form their own mental image, but many probably attempt not to.

Contradicts:

Don't spout words that imply facts unless you can back it up with numbers.

Your "many probably" isn't much more solid than my argument. I understand your want for numbers, though I personally think they don't prove much. You're going to get different statistics depending on what source you use. It depends what the writer of the article wants you to see.

[stevencwatts]

Excellent point, I misstated. What I was trying to say was more of, "if I were in their position, I would try not to." It seems like the reasonable thing to do, from a logical and emotional level, avoiding thinking about something that is likely to be painful. Think about it. A broken-hearted teenager certainly can picture their ex-girlfriend sleeping with another guy, but are they really likely to do it

[anonymous]

bloop here. I've read more negative about those who perform abortions than those who have them. Often, in the pro-life literature I've read, the woman is naive, manipulated, or both, but not really "Jezebel sluts".

So, for another side anecdote, take the doctor that delivered our first child. He would perform an abortion had we asked (up to the end of the 1st trimester, I believe). He could tell that we wanted the child because we wanted to see a sonogram, hesitant as we were so early in our marriage. He didn't seem the money-hungry type, frankly (particularly in giving a major portion of the year to volunteering in Africa), and it seems to me that he stood to gain more from delivering a live baby than taking $400 or so for an abortion, so I'm not sure the "they're only in it for the money" folks quite got it, either. Just another dead-end argument as I see it.

There's a lot of dishonesty from all sides on this issue. A compromise is in order.