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[stevencwatts]

My posts lately have all been reviews. "Where's the fun?" you may ask. "Where's the good-natured ribbing, where's the non-sociopolitical rants?" Well, you're going to be 2/3 disappointed. But this time I have links! Actually, this is just an excuse to post up a few things I found interesting today

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[woekitten]

Pre-abortion councilling? Sure, though it's already more common than you might think (up here, anyway). The woman doesn't enter the clinic and say "one abortion, please," and the doctor doesn't automatically respond, "Hop aboard!" There's a lot of questions involved. Is this what you want? Is someone pressuring you into this?

Sonograms? Give me a break. If I want to hear more screaming about "THE MIRACLE YOU'RE DESTROYING!!!!11one", I just have to stand outside of Planned Parenthood and get beaten by plascards.

I would call it showing them what they're doing.Do you seriously think women aren't capable of visualising anything for themselves? It seems like every piece of abortion literature I've read is disgustingly one-sided, discussing the act as if it's either a daily sport for the Jezebels of the world, or the keystone of Free Speech that'll cause democracy to crumble if it's removed

[stevencwatts]

Let me rephrase. Required abortion counseling, performed by a professional. Asking "is this what you want?" isn't counseling. And yes, mothers can form their own mental image, but many probably attempt not to. Being slapped by a postcard is just a tad different from actually seeing your child move

[woekitten]

I read the article. Wasn't that impressed by it, which is why I posted here.

Also:

And yes, mothers can form their own mental image, but many probably attempt not to.

Contradicts:

Don't spout words that imply facts unless you can back it up with numbers.

Your "many probably" isn't much more solid than my argument. I understand your want for numbers, though I personally think they don't prove much. You're going to get different statistics depending on what source you use. It depends what the writer of the article wants you to see.

[stevencwatts]

Excellent point, I misstated. What I was trying to say was more of, "if I were in their position, I would try not to." It seems like the reasonable thing to do, from a logical and emotional level, avoiding thinking about something that is likely to be painful. Think about it. A broken-hearted teenager certainly can picture their ex-girlfriend sleeping with another guy, but are they really likely to do it

[woekitten]

I'm not so much against women having abortions as I am against women making mistakes.

That's valid, which is why I think councilling is a good idea, and / or even some restrictions of how many abortions a woman can get because I know very well that there are some out there who are using it as a means of birth control. That'd be tricky to impliment though

[woekitten]

P.S.: Purely for the sake of interest (because I don't really use my religion to govern my life), I'll note that Judaism is semi-OK with abortion. In fact, it's an absolute must if the mother's life is in any danger, because the baby considered "potential life" until most of it is out of the mother's body, whereas the mother is definitely considered a living being (Judaism is big on doing what it takes not to die).

It's kind of interesting because of the never-ending debate on whether or not a foetus can be counted as a life. Well, here we go, one of the oldest religions in the world -- and the basis for Christianity, besides -- lays it out pretty clearly. XD

[stevencwatts]

I don't know anybody (sane) who wouldn't agree with abortion if it threatens the life of the mother, or at least agrees that at that point the decision should be up to her. I think "life-threatening" needs to be separated, though, from "quality-of-life-threatening." There's a difference between a woman dying and a woman not being able to buy new shoes. Hyperbolic example, but you get the idea.