Just putting down a few links for future memory needs, on that short over long thing going on.
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hsifeng, I am desirous of coming to your place sometime, in a researching frenzy/hunt, as things are pointing to Germany or Italy as the source for some of the designs we are seeing. When you have time (not in a hurry, in other words).
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Thursday would work for us. It will be after dinner, so about 7:00?
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