Deity Continued

Dec 03, 2005 23:03

(See HERE for the beginning of the thread and some responses.)

  • But I do think God is Y-w-h is Allah.
  • Christian God and Muslim Allah really ARE the same god, as both faiths originated from the old testament and deviated at a later point.
A couple different people expressed this kind of sentiment, so I'm ( Read more... )

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well said yourmamachula December 4 2005, 14:35:42 UTC
well said, and very accurate...and very welcoming of everyone.... I guess I (and a bazillion other Muslims) just see Christians, Jews, and Muslims believing in the same Creator, Father of all, etc., so everyone should freakin' stop hating on each other! :) I think it's the same God in a narrower sense (before Christ), but not the same concept of God.

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favorite statement thus far.. yourmamachula December 4 2005, 14:43:52 UTC
from one of your friends over in the other thread- God is God and we are not. That's the lowdown for me. :) When I was being sent all that freakin' ridiculous hate mail from the Muslim website, my final message to the moderators was that God, in the end, is the one who judges us all and as humans, we have no real way (other than scriptures) to tell everyone what is right and what is wrong, and certainly no right to tell someone of our particular faith that they are going to hell!! Craziness. If someone believes, and does all the things 'necessary' in their faith (whatever it may be) for salvation, then I don't think it's right for someone else within their faith to tell them they're going to hell. It is between that person and their God. blah. rambling now.

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Re: favorite statement thus far.. basswhooper December 4 2005, 21:10:22 UTC
Hey, thanks for the kind words!

Before I make any other comments, please allow me to ask a question of you: Is it indeed heresy to refer to Jesus as "God Incarnate"?

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Re: favorite statement thus far.. yourmamachula December 4 2005, 22:23:49 UTC
I've never used the word "heresy", but yeah, to say a human is God is not ok.

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Therein lies the rub. basswhooper December 5 2005, 01:58:00 UTC
Christ taught (and I believe) that He was indeed God, and further was the only way to Salvation.

And the difference does not begin with Christ. Genesis chapter 3 is the first of some 330 Messianic prophecies. (I've heard the number put from 200 to 400, but 330 is the one I hear most frequently.) Having never read the Quran (please forgive me if I've butchered the spelling), I'm guessing that there are no such prophecies of a Messiah who was both man and God who would bear the punishment for the sins of mankind.

Also, if I understand correctly, the Quran teaches that Abraham and Ishmael went to Mecca and built the Kaba (again, pardon what I'm sure is a misspelling, and I could be totally off-base about the Abraham and Ishmael thing). If I'm not wrong about that, then there's another major difference between our O.T. and the Quran.

As both Christians and Muslims believe that God is all-powerful, then we probably both believe that He is mighty enough to get His exact word to us. That being the case, both Christians and Muslims cannot be ( ... )

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fearful_syzygy December 4 2005, 20:10:07 UTC
In the Orient in ancient times there lived a man who possessed a ring of inestimable worth. Its stone was an opal that emitted a hundred colours, but its real value lay in its ability to make its wearer beloved of God and man. The ring passed from father to most favoured son for many generations, until finally its owner was a father with three sons, all equally deserving. Unable to decide which of the three sons was most worthy, the father commissioned a master artisan to make two exact copies of the ring, then gave each son a ring, and each son believed that he alone had inherited the original and true ring ( ... )

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Ehhh... basswhooper December 4 2005, 21:14:28 UTC
As one who believes in the omnipotence of God, I must disagree with the parable above. As I believe God to be omnipotent, I believe that He is powerful to make His will known to us in no uncertain terms. That said, if the sacred texts of (the religion of one's choice) purports to be the only way to salvation, in the believers eyes it must be so.

As I believe (for many reasons) in the infallibility of the Bible, I therefore believe it's assertions that:
A) All other Gods than Yahweh are false Gods, and
B) Jesus is the only way to salvation.

It's not a matter of hating anyone else or wishing to lord it over them. It's simply a matter of what I believe to be the truth, and what said truth compels me to do.

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Oh, I forgot... basswhooper December 4 2005, 21:16:18 UTC
Having said all of that, I fully expect a dyed-in-the-wool Jew or Muslim (or Mormon, or Church of Christ, or any other religion/denomination who claims to be the only way) to tell me that I'm lost and need to be converted. I disagree, obviously, but respect people who believe so firmly, nevertheless.

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Re: Ehhh... fearful_syzygy December 4 2005, 21:34:19 UTC
Well with all due respect I would posit that history has shown time and again that quite freqently it is in fact a matter of hating someone else and wishing to lord over them.

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wendanyon December 7 2005, 02:08:17 UTC
Do we believe in the same God if I believe Jesus was everything you say he was, but also believe God has sent other such "sons" and will continue to do so until we all "get it"?

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