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nonabloch September 23 2010, 16:04:58 UTC
I don't know. I don't think that's a good reason not to like you.

So whats your opinion on people who choose not to have children? No medical reason or anything like that, just a choice to not have children.

And what's not to like about IVF or surrogate? I mean, as long as everyone is clear up front and communication is strong, what's the big deal? They want to have children obviously but are unable on their own. I say more power to them.

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sosoclever September 23 2010, 16:34:27 UTC
The world is already overpopulated (says the woman with four children, have I mentioned I know I'm a hypocrite?). If people cannot conceive on their own, maybe there's a good reason for that. There are plenty of babies out there that could be adopted. And, since I'm against abortion because I believe life begins at conception, being against IVF is only reasonable.

If someone doesn't want to have children, even if they're capable, there's probably a good reason for that, too. I was surgically sterilized after Baby F was born.

There were a couple of people who dropped me when I spoke out against fertility treatments before. They were both women who had conceived/were trying to conceive by same.

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nonabloch September 23 2010, 16:43:33 UTC
Hypocrite. :)

I don't know - I know some folks who are doing fertility treatments and are getting ready for another round in December. I see how much pain they were in the first time and how many times it took to finally conceive. I feel for them because I know they want children.

I agree that there are plenty of kids to adopt. And if I eventually wanted children, I would definitely prefer the adoption route for myself.

But I can see how people want a child "of their own." Who am I to argue with their feelings on that?

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sosoclever September 23 2010, 18:20:36 UTC
That's why I won't tell someone else not to use it. If someone was to ask me my opinion, I'd give it, but that's not the same thing.

What really pisses me off is when someone goes the fertility treatment route, winds up with a whole passel of kids, and then thanks Big J for it. No, I'm sorry, but if your god wanted you to have kids, why did he make it so you had to do it with help? Thank science instead. And isn't it kind of prideful to insist on passing on your genes instead of adopting? Isn't pride a sin?

Keep commenting at your own risk. My opinions on this are very strong, and I've done a lot of thinking about it.

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retro_rider55 September 23 2010, 16:21:39 UTC
You've eched what me & howlin_wolf_66 had to say, that obviuosly, not everyone capable of breeding are fit to be parents. But how do we practically yet ethically, pro-actively address the issue. If at all?

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sosoclever September 23 2010, 16:39:02 UTC
We cannot. Unfortunately, there will be children who are abused, neglected, killed. It will happen. The best we can do is try to stop the abuse when we see it, and stop the abusers from getting to do it again.

Child abuse should be punishable by death, in my opinion.

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retro_rider55 September 23 2010, 21:57:18 UTC
The answer, as with many sticky matters is simply "The price of Freedom -", etc

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quiet_dignitea September 23 2010, 18:31:00 UTC
What bothers me most about fertility treatments is the hypocrisy of those most gung-ho about them. In general, the same folks who are willing to overlook suggestions that "IVF or surrogate or whatever" and fertility drugs and such might be less than natural tend to oppose legal/social or technological advances that could benefit people with LGBT issues. Everybody's supposed to be fucking thrilled for them because they're pregnant by IVF for the sixth time but a same sex couple wanting to get married is unnatural. Or we're supposed to be happy medical science (often abbreviated "God") has relieved their burden and pain of childlessness, but a man or woman suffering from GID is doing something unnatural by seeking a medical solution ( ... )

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sosoclever September 23 2010, 19:20:45 UTC
I less than three you.

I'm definitely not a singing pig.

IVF is not necessarily covered by insurance, but it's certainly more likely to be than SRS.

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quiet_dignitea September 23 2010, 19:40:55 UTC
-999,999,997!

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tnjade September 23 2010, 19:57:49 UTC
"This" times a billion less than 3? Is that what that means?

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