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[solitary_summer]

No, I don't have a life (obviously). Yes, the pseudo-artistic reverse numbering is intentional. I don't really know any longer if it works, or if the whole thing is good, complete crap, or anywhere in between. The only thing I do know is that I don't want to re-, re- & re-write and -edit it until & beyond Christmas. Wonky tenses will just have to

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[eumelia]

*twiddles thumbs*

*Hems and haws*

*sighs*

Have you read amand_r's stroy We held gold dust in our hands?
I think you'll really like it.

Yes, my reaction to that whole long, epic and in depth overview and analysis to Jack and Ianto's relationship is with fic.
I'm so far gone.

[solitary_summer]

As long as the reaction isn't defriending... ;)

*bookmarks* Thanks for the rec!

Thanks eumelia!

[tikimama]

For recommending that fic. I never would have read on my own (I'm not keen on poly fics, despite (or maybe because of) having been in one myself) and it was lovely.

You're welcome!

[eumelia]

I really think that fic is going to be a fandom classic, it's just too good, too epic and too all-encompassing not to.

One of the things I love about fic is how it exposed and exposes me to different possibilities that original fiction often skips or just doesn't get into in depth.

So, yay! I hope you told the author how much you liked it :)

[elisi]

This... is AMAZING.

It's late, and I'm half-asleep, but this just totally blew me away. I'll come back at some point with some longer thoughts (hopefully), but just for now I'm trying to remember GDL's comment... I think it was that Ianto gave Jack unconditional love, which is something very rare, and that Jack left for the stars to try to see if he could find love again. It was along those lines anyway.

Thank you so much for writing this - it's like everything I ever wanted to say, but never got round to.

[solitary_summer]

*blush* I'm glad you liked it, I was really unsure by the end! :)

I think I got that from someone's transcript, and I *seem* to remember the 'unconditional love' was said somewhere else... *scratches head*

What I always find surprising is that even the actors seem to do so much guessing about what's happening with & between their characters. Is there any official consensus at all? Or do they just throw the scripts at them?

[elisi]

I *seem* to remember the 'unconditional love' was said somewhere else...
You know, it might have been RTD who said it. Which makes it even better. *g*
I found it!!!! From GDL's panel at Dragon*Con:

q: "I have another dark question for you"
a: "she's dark this bitch"
q: "do you think Jack can continue to be heroic without Ianto there to be that balancing influence.
a: "No."
q: "What influence do you think Ianto's had on him?"
a: "I think Ianto taught him about love."
audience: awwwwwwwwwwwww
a: "Ianto's death took him to a place where he head nothing left and without that love in his life he's cold enough to do what he needs to do. He's gone off into space to see if he can find the ability to love again."
q: "I'm really glad you say that, I think Ianto was all about unconditional love and you rarely see that on TV."
a: "I agree"

What I always find surprising is that even the actors seem to do so much guessing about what's happening with & between their characters.
I think that might be why I love it - the more convoluted, the better

[solitary_summer]

Oh, thank you. I knew I read it somewhere, but couldn't quite remember where...

[neifile7]

I can't comment right now at the length it deserves, but I have to say that this is one of the best and most nuanced readings of the relationship arc I've seen. I think you've done what needs to be done (and could only be done at some length): look not just at the relationship dynamics, but the entire context of Torchwood in their lives. I also agree with your integration of the all the radio plays, not just Dead Line.

And may I friend you? This is a discussion I'd like to continue at some point...

[solitary_summer]

Of course you may! And thank you for your comment! :)

I never intended for it to be this long, but after rewatching CoE I decided to also rewatch S1 & 2, just to make sure that what at the time was a much shorter draft wouldn't be contradicted by canon, and then... well, it just sort of happened.

i love your meta

[kel_reiley]

everything, absolutely everything! i love that way you make your position clear and back it up with specific lines and scenes from the show

but 2 points:

IMO the memories Adam gave Ianto didn't so much hint at an inner darkness or hidden serial killer potential, but drew upon his fear to cause the deaths of even more innocent people, especially those whose lives he'd already endangered once - !!! this was SO my thought then, too! exactly! i even used it in fic!

and the turning point for Ianto was being forced to leave Jack behind at the end of Day One. The whole scenario is so reminiscent of the escape from the Hub in Cyberwoman (the shut down, the red light, Jack forcing Ianto onto the lift, towards safety, Ianto screaming 'There'll be nothing left of you,' in a tone of voice we haven't often heard from him since then) that I think it's supposed to be a reminder- of the past, of where they started, and of how much has changed since then - THIS TOO!! i have a vid in the works that uses this specifically!

oh, good stuff, yo!

Re: i love your meta

[solitary_summer]

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! :)

this was SO my thought then, too! exactly! i even used it in fic!
Could you give me a link?

Re: i love your meta

[kel_reiley]

well it was a small part of the EPIC but specifically in this part that deals with the aftermath of 'Adam' (about half way down the page - Oh the comfort, the inexpressible comfort...)

that concept was in the back of my mind for ianto and the events in 'adam' but since he can't actually remember what happened there, i had to throwback to the events after 'cyberwoman' to get the point across - namely, the guilt he felt afterward - i hope that makes sense and that it came across in the fic

[solitary_summer]

Thank you! :)

I was feeling rather more emotional writing this than I usually do, so I'm happy that sort of... spilled over, in a way.