Comments | smokedamage: Oh these are just quality!

smokedamage

Oh these are just quality!

Jun 16, 2005 23:13

Some quotes about church and state, sissified men, womens rights, homosexuality, and the coming of Armageddon

Seriously, these are frankly amazing. Can a Christian out there please tell me which bits of the bible i should be looking at that teaches such vicious hate?

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smokedamage June 17 2005, 05:23:14 UTC

how does one get like that? not enough toys as kids?

sonofshadow June 17 2005, 05:32:35 UTC

Most of those things are wrong and most Christians know that. There were a few things on that list that were right on the money though.

smokedamage June 17 2005, 06:12:04 UTC

Well here's my big issue.

I don't think "most" Christians do. And the simple fact that i *never* see any of these quotable people apologise or admit that they were wrong EVER makes me wonder if they think they were ever wrong, and whether people DO think these people are wrong.

Most Christians means what exactly? Which denomination (?) hold the majority spread of Christianity? Baptists? Mormons? who? and why does the president and past presidents think that God put them there. Isn't America a democracy?

Do you think there should be a seperation between church and state?

sonofshadow June 17 2005, 06:42:38 UTC

No America is definitely NOT a Democracy. Our founding fathers deliberately avoided that. Ours is a Constitutional Republic.

smokedamage June 17 2005, 07:12:39 UTC

Sure, but where does God fit into this then?

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purfektlyflawd June 17 2005, 05:38:05 UTC

"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. - Unless there is life there can be no murder."

Right, that's why the Bible insists in a bunch of areas that all sins are equal.

purfektlyflawd June 17 2005, 05:52:08 UTC

"You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!"

Love thy neighbour as yourself? "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." Obviously I've always missed the asterisk beside each verse, saying at the bottom "excluding homosexuals."

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purfektlyflawd June 17 2005, 05:59:33 UTC

Thanks, I was going to fix that so I don't sound like I'm half quoting a verse. I'm not that... good with my Bible, but even I see major clashes between the Bible & these people's ridiculous quotes.

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smokedamage June 17 2005, 06:12:44 UTC

nice one.

batbuds June 17 2005, 12:09:48 UTC

I guess my question is whether all of these quotes are accurate, made up, or out of context? I know some of these people are as radical and out of line as any fundamentalist group. They do not represent the masses, but the extreme....just as OBL does not represent all Muslims...

I would like to see some proof that the quotes are legit though. You know you cannot believe everything on the internet, even if it is something that you agree with! ;) (That applies in both directions by the way!)

smokedamage June 17 2005, 20:39:56 UTC

To tell the truth, i have no idea who most of these people are, but that being said i have heard and seen these same opinions expressed in the media, and real life by any number of people. I think if all these quoted people suddenly disappeared there would be plenty of others to say the same thing.

I have no problem with anyone worshipping anything, but the instant their religion tells them they are better than me and that i should go to hell for not being "one of them" is the time when i start to lose patience for religion.

Yes, some of these people are out of line and are what most of us would regard as wackos, there's still a lot of people who take these people seriously, and that other Christians who are not lunatics say nothing to salve these ridiculously inflammatory remarks is disappointing.

Still is it partly the speakers fault, and partly the fault of the media who perpetuate these things because they make for entertaining soundbites.

batbuds June 19 2005, 00:35:21 UTC

I have no problem with anyone worshiping anything, but the instant their religion tells them they are better than me and that i should go to hell for not being "one of them" is the time when i start to lose patience for religion.
Isn't that one of the common factors in any religion, political affiliation, special interest, etc.... that what I believe is right, and everyone else is wrong? Is that not what the Muslims feel? If you worship anyone besides Allah, you are an enemy of Allah? Is that not what politicians practice.... Red is right, blue is wrong (colors instead of political parties so that national differences are erased) What about the big oil companies vs the environmentalist...which side is really right.... or are both right, or are both wrong, or is there some truth in both sides with common ground in between ( ... )

trickykitty June 19 2005, 05:56:26 UTC

Isn't that one of the common factors in any religion, political affiliation, special interest, etc.... that what I believe is right, and everyone else is wrong?

I remember reading in a magazine a description for the different types of religions based on how much they try to draw others in and how much they proclaim to be the only correct religion. Forgive me for not remembering the terms that they used, but I still had to mention it. Maybe someone else knows the terms. Some religions don't "preach" at all. Some care more about gaining peace in one's life than dealing with all of the after-death nonsense.

...it is the listeners that must, through education, understanding, and even prayer, interpret what their version of the truth is... based on the knowledge presented.
Very good point. After all, from a Theory of Mind standpoint, one can never really and truly know what another person's "vision" was or why the other person felt that it really was a vision and not a hallucination. Jeanne d'Arc believed that saints spoke to her, but ( ... )

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