i dunno. but whoever thought of it was genius. true freedom isn't possible without it. granted, true freedom isn't possible with government in general. but greater freedom is possible at least under that concept.
but, if i had to hazard a guess, i would say between when angst first appeared between the colonies and when the constitution was written. it very well could have been earlier... but i don't have any knowledge of it appearing earlier. but that is no where near being conclusive evidence. its more an acknowledgement of ignorance on the subject.
"if i had to hazard a guess, i would say between when angst first appeared between the colonies and when the constitution was written. it very well could have been earlier"
Hate to tell you, but your guess is way off. The phrase first appeared in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802, and was further introduced by the Supreme Court. The founders were against forcing religion on anyone. They never said that religion and the state could have nothing to do with each other. Most of our government was originally based in their Christian beliefs and values.
Someone might have said this further down, but I don't really feel like reading all the replies right now.
through a little research, i have found what appears to be the occurence of the idea of seperation between church and state. its the first amendment
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i have no friggin' clue why i have quotes around the paragraph after the text for the first amendment... i'm tired. and i can't believe i have that "thay" typo... its supposed to be "they"
Funny because "seperation", "church", and "state" are not even mentioned in the amendment. And if you read it, it says it can't make laws establishing a religion. It says it says nothing about support one. Not saying they should, just being a strict constructionist here. You made the supporting jump. Obviously a biased support system could be confused with establishing, and therefore should be stayed clear of
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wow... all i gotta say is your reading comprehension sucks. "respecting an establishment of religion" not "establish a religion"... jeez. i even gave you the text in my post.
i had this conversation with him... by allowing a choice, we're forcing our beliefs on him. apparently "choice" isn't something that people should be given cause somehow it abridges his rights in some way when somebody can make a choice he doesn't agree with.
But an ineliable part of religion is preaching. Isn't that an expresson of religion? Freedom to practice your religion in any context is what our constitution says. But the reality is the choice of religion can only be brought up in limited circumstances, like your home or church. Everywhere else its brought up its seen as infinging on people rights. But offering a choice and an opinion on a choice isn't infringing on peoples rights. Aren't people just taking that right away from religion just because they have been the typical majority in this country?
you can preach. just not in certain areas. like a public school. it's a governmental institution. there are places to preach and there are places where its not appropriate. there are other places you can preach... haven't you seen people preach on TV? have people ever come to your door? have you ever gotten mail about it? or even email? have you seen the guy on the soapbox in nyc or wearing the billboard over his shoulders? or hey, how about this... in livejournal or any other part of the internet? you just can't preach in governmental run places. and when it comes to the work place, its up to the work place to decide... it's just most of them try to go that whole route of political correctness and they don't allow it
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but, if i had to hazard a guess, i would say between when angst first appeared between the colonies and when the constitution was written. it very well could have been earlier... but i don't have any knowledge of it appearing earlier. but that is no where near being conclusive evidence. its more an acknowledgement of ignorance on the subject.
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Hate to tell you, but your guess is way off. The phrase first appeared in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802, and was further introduced by the Supreme Court. The founders were against forcing religion on anyone. They never said that religion and the state could have nothing to do with each other. Most of our government was originally based in their Christian beliefs and values.
Someone might have said this further down, but I don't really feel like reading all the replies right now.
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if you start creating laws supporting a religion, you force that belief on another.
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