Owen and Beru Lars are, in the OT, Luke's guardians. In the PT, we meet them in AotC because Anakin's mother marries Owen's father... or something about this.
As far as plans are concerned, plans don't equal a working battle station. They probably needed to run sims, make prototypes, and so on for at least a few years before they know how to make the space station safe for human habitation.
And to those fans who think that opposition to Harry's acts in OotP=Sith Lord ignorance/hatred, I recommend that they read the Star Wars Expanded Universe book, New Jedi Order: Traitor, and get a taste of real Force philosophy... this stuff is heavier than what they sold us in the OT. Really, HP magic, like SW Force, is all about not what you do, or how the act is percieved, or even what the result is, but rather why you do it... therefore, in HP terms, Percy's writing the letter, because it was motivated out of concern for his brother, is either equally or less bad than Harry's attacking Bellatrix with an Unforgivable, which was motivated by
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Owen and Beru Lars are, in the OT, Luke's guardians. In the PT, we meet them in AotC because Anakin's mother marries Owen's father... or something about this.
Ah yes! I knew we met them somehow earlier. Thanks!
I am happy thinking of that thing they were working on as a prototype of some kind--that makes sense.
And to those fans who think that opposition to Harry's acts in OotP=Sith Lord ignorance/hatred, I recommend that they read the Star Wars Expanded Universe book, New Jedi Order: Traitor, and get a taste of real Force philosophy
That does seem to go with what was hinted at in the movies. Though of course I don't want to make it seem like I've actually *heard* anyone make that comparison, it was just Anakin's line of "from my pov, the Jedi are evil," that made me think of fandom discussions which didn't really apply.
Am I the only person who, with all those visions of Padme that Palpatine seemed to know about, and Anakin hearing Palpatine's voice even in his own apartment, wondered if Anakin ever really had a chance NOT to turn?
There were a lot of teenagers laughing in the theatre where I saw it during the moment of Anakin's turning, which annoyed me even though the dialogue was hokey. You're not the only one who didn't quite buy it. I've never heard people laugh that much at a movie except for "Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights" which I only saw because of half-naked Diego Luna.
I kept thinking, "that's what the Imperius Curse looks like."
It didn't seem like he had much of a choice. I didn't really feel like he made an *informed* choice, exactly. He thought he did, but he didn't seem to really be mature enough to make the choice he did. Even if it wasn't literally an Imperius curse, it did seem very similar.
Once he made the choice, though, I could buy it and was happy to go along with it.
They laughed during the turning? That's just not cool... the SW movies overall are kinda hokey, but a lot of what is in Star Wars is based off of myth. To laugh at a watershed moment like Anakin's turning would be like laughing when Oedipus gouges out his eyes, or laughing at the scene at The Cave in The Empire Strikes Back; it's inappropriate, and means one of two things. The first is that the filmmaker didn't do what he was supposed to in order to communicate the gravity of the situation, and the second, and more likely option, is that the teenagers were watching Revenge of the Sith with an improper attitude. They didn't realize, or maybe forgot, that the transition actually happens at the middle of the stories' timeline, and therefore did not, as Sister Magpipe put it, "embrace the cheese".
The Star Wars movies are action/dramedy with a dash of myth... you're not supposed to take them as seriously as you would, say, Blade Runner.
Interesting that you brought up Blade Runner, because I've seen more than one review complaining that SW was not BR that annoyed me to no end. I love BR--that does not mean anything vaguely sci-fi (and SW isn't even really science fiction anyway, even its creator says so) must be Blade Runner. SW is really quite open about what it is, and I find its hokeyness brave, really.
19, according to the very detailed timeline at echostation. And that timeline also makes Ani 22ish when the twins were born, which, it seems, is the same age said twins are when Anakin dies, which sort of makes sense.
Yes, I thought that about Obi too. It definitely wasn't cruelty that made him leave Anakin behind, and even without knowing he needed to survive, having Obi delivery a death blow, imo, would have read the wrong way, like he was doing it out of something other than mercy. Poor Anakin was really a mess, though, wasn't he? Gah!
Luke being nineteen (as Heidi reveals below) works better than 16, so I'm glad he's 19. Sixteen is still too young for Luke to really have reason to gripe to his uncle, but if he's 19 Owen clearly has been keeping him home for too long.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that thought about Anakin's birth!
For that matter, that desert sun is not good for Obi-wan, is it? Only sixteen years after this he'll have gone from his 30s to his 70s or thereabouts!
I figure it's due to all that "communing" Obi-Wan is going to be doing with Qui-Gon; all that...er...interaction with a dead guy might very well start sucking the life out of you, even if you *are* a Jedi. *g*
Late addition 2: I forgot to mention this, but when it was said that the Dark Side of the force could create life, I thought that was supposed to explain Anakin's mysterious birth with no father. I have no idea if that's true or not, since the Emperor actually seemed to be working up to claiming he could save Padme, but that's what it made me think of. I had completely forgotten about that line from PM until I read a reference to it recently.
There was a funny line about Anakin's conception in the Sith Academy somewhere, with Shmi saying something like 'It was dark, I was lonely, he said "Trust me, I'm a Senator ..."'
Late addition: the murdering of the Jedi was really effective. I don't just mean the Younglings, but all of them.I know - it's funny to know ahead of time that this was going to happen, and yet when the slaughter started I found it incredibly upsetting. I hadn't read any spoilers, so I guess there was part of me that expected most of the Jedi to die in combat and not be isolated and ruthlessly killed like that. Not
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Yes, I think I always thought of the Jedi being hunted down and killed knowing that was what was happening, and fighting against their attackers. Having them just suddenly shot in the back while doing their job...that just killed me it was so sad.
I agree completely, but it also makes a great deal of sense. These troopers have seen the Jedi fights, and they know that their only hope of success is a lot of numbers and a lot of surprise. Part of my brain was very pleased at how effective the troopers were.
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As far as plans are concerned, plans don't equal a working battle station. They probably needed to run sims, make prototypes, and so on for at least a few years before they know how to make the space station safe for human habitation.
And to those fans who think that opposition to Harry's acts in OotP=Sith Lord ignorance/hatred, I recommend that they read the Star Wars Expanded Universe book, New Jedi Order: Traitor, and get a taste of real Force philosophy... this stuff is heavier than what they sold us in the OT. Really, HP magic, like SW Force, is all about not what you do, or how the act is percieved, or even what the result is, but rather why you do it... therefore, in HP terms, Percy's writing the letter, because it was motivated out of concern for his brother, is either equally or less bad than Harry's attacking Bellatrix with an Unforgivable, which was motivated by ( ... )
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Ah yes! I knew we met them somehow earlier. Thanks!
I am happy thinking of that thing they were working on as a prototype of some kind--that makes sense.
And to those fans who think that opposition to Harry's acts in OotP=Sith Lord ignorance/hatred, I recommend that they read the Star Wars Expanded Universe book, New Jedi Order: Traitor, and get a taste of real Force philosophy
That does seem to go with what was hinted at in the movies. Though of course I don't want to make it seem like I've actually *heard* anyone make that comparison, it was just Anakin's line of "from my pov, the Jedi are evil," that made me think of fandom discussions which didn't really apply.
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There were a lot of teenagers laughing in the theatre where I saw it during the moment of Anakin's turning, which annoyed me even though the dialogue was hokey. You're not the only one who didn't quite buy it. I've never heard people laugh that much at a movie except for "Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights" which I only saw because of half-naked Diego Luna.
I kept thinking, "that's what the Imperius Curse looks like."
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Once he made the choice, though, I could buy it and was happy to go along with it.
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The Star Wars movies are action/dramedy with a dash of myth... you're not supposed to take them as seriously as you would, say, Blade Runner.
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Luke being nineteen (as Heidi reveals below) works better than 16, so I'm glad he's 19. Sixteen is still too young for Luke to really have reason to gripe to his uncle, but if he's 19 Owen clearly has been keeping him home for too long.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that thought about Anakin's birth!
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I figure it's due to all that "communing" Obi-Wan is going to be doing with Qui-Gon; all that...er...interaction with a dead guy might very well start sucking the life out of you, even if you *are* a Jedi. *g*
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There was a funny line about Anakin's conception in the Sith Academy somewhere, with Shmi saying something like 'It was dark, I was lonely, he said "Trust me, I'm a Senator ..."'
Late addition: the murdering of the Jedi was really effective. I don't just mean the Younglings, but all of them.I know - it's funny to know ahead of time that this was going to happen, and yet when the slaughter started I found it incredibly upsetting. I hadn't read any spoilers, so I guess there was part of me that expected most of the Jedi to die in combat and not be isolated and ruthlessly killed like that. Not ( ... )
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