[pols, curr ev] One Cause for Hope

Nov 23, 2016 20:01

The one positive thought I've had in all this is that, in reviewing how Hitler did what he did, it's become clear to me that Trump (or more properly the grassroots fascist movement that put him at their head) moved prematurely - and looks like he will continue full steam ahead ( Read more... )

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heron61 November 24 2016, 07:54:19 UTC
I was very pleased to see that while his popularity rating rose sharply, it rose from 37% to 46%, and 34% of the nation still has an extremely unfavorable opinion of him. Also, for most presidents, their pre-inauguration popularity is pretty much as popular as they get (the exceptions being presidents who are either really skilled or (as Shrub was) lucky enough to be president during 9/11. Given that his economic plans are at absolute best bad and our economy is OK but fragile, unless he's really lucky (mostly for horrific values of lucky), his popularity rating is just going to fall.

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nancylebov November 24 2016, 11:00:44 UTC
The other thing that gives me hope is that I don't think Trump has any policies he's really attached to. I think he bends under pressure.

I'm concerned that he will steal a tremendous amount of money, and so will his cronies, but that's not nearly the same level of danger.

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kelkyag November 25 2016, 00:52:14 UTC
Perhaps Trump doesn't, but people near him, including Pence, have policies I don't care for at all, and I don't know how much he'll bend towards those influences.

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siderea November 25 2016, 06:04:02 UTC
Indeed. The fact that someone of power shifts like a flag in the breeze is less a comfort in the face of a growing Stormfront.

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ewtikins November 24 2016, 22:54:22 UTC
In the UK I've seen that gradual shifting of the Overton window to the right for a number of years now. I think I first noticed it under a Labour government.

To me and my social circle each move is shocking, but to the broader population? Not so much. (And as I mentioned in comments to a previous post: of my social circle, there are few who are making serious plans for what to do if certain lines are crossed, or even thinking about where the lines are. Except the ones who've already moved to Berlin, and the Jewish ones.)

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adrian_turtle November 25 2016, 19:57:54 UTC
Trump isn't starting from scratch, or anything like it. He could not have done what he's doing in 2001. Well, maybe he could have started it in November of 2001. That was right after the huge shift to a more authoritarian government, free to search without warrant and detain without trial. But not in early 2001, even if he had just won a marginally-legitimate election.

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jducoeur November 30 2016, 00:40:50 UTC
Yeah, I've been thanking heavens for quite some time that the fascists managed to find such a *colossal* jackass as their figurehead. Even after the results, I'm still generally thinking that -- someone with Trump's charisma plus a reasonable modicum of self-control would, I suspect, have won in a landslide. He's gone at least a ways towards poisoning the neo-fascist "brand".

Right now, I'm mainly hoping they continue to over-reach, and prove as broadly incompetent as they appear to be; the combination might eventually prove a healthy vaccine for the body politic. But we have to survive the infection first...

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