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[shopping_city]

Would it even be possible for someone like me or you to wear jam shorts now-a-days without being sucked into a vortex of irony/anti-irony sincerity (which isn't the same as sincerity)/double irony? You could wear them because you thought they were really ugly, like "ha ha look how ugly they are" or wear them insisting/pretending that you didn't

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[microbeast]

I realized yesterday that this is the worst time in history to go to college. Irony was one of the reasons and computers were another. I take part in both of them a lot so it makes me really upset. I have a huge theroy about irony in our culture but I don't really want people to be able to read it, you know?

[shopping_city]

yeah, it's kind of impossible to get away from/talk about those things. When I'm done with this job I'll be done with computers, so it will be almost like making a clean break, but I'll still want and sometimes NEED to use them even though now I have too much exposure to computers and I think it's unhealthy. Irony I'll just never be able to get away from/stop using. There's no way to reverse the effects of irony on our culture, right? That's the worst part. I don't think we as a culture new what we were getting into.

[microbeast]

I think being concsious of not wanting to be ironic only does the opposite of what you want, because you are constantly having to think about your motives or reasons for liking something. I have realized that there are a lot of things that I just like and just because other people like it ironically or makes jokes about it doesn't mean that my like of it is any less sincere. So if I saw a pair of jam shorts and liked them I could wear them and they wouldn't be ironic just because someone else wears them as a joke. I think irony can be okay sometimes though, but the fact that our culture is completely based on it is completely ridiculous. I think though, it is because the pop culture of the 90s was kind of borrowed from all past decades, such as fashion and a lot of nostalgia for things that older people liked when they were kids (Scooby Doo and stuff like that) and now the 00s (00s?) are kind of a backlash against that (I have no idea if this is actually true). These sentences don't really have much to do with one another and are only

[shopping_city]

Yeah, I know that you mean. I do the same thing, I like things that I like regardless of whether my appreciation could be construed as ironic, but sometimes I can't help but wonder if in a way I'm pretending that irony doesn't exist. I like irony (in the sense of the word we're using) and I use it all the time, but I don't like what it's done to the culture. Now I feel like I'm being melodramatic though. As long as I (or whoever) know my motives are true then what difference does it make? Irony doesn't enter into it.

What is the backlash against the postmodernism (sorry for the use of this term) of the 90s? I think I know what you're talking about, but I'm confused.

[dapperdanman]

could you better define "jam shorts" because all I can think of is that they're like short pants or really long baggy shorts, but no visual ugliness comes to mind. is there specific pattern you're thinking of?

[shopping_city]

there's no specific pattern that comes to mind for me, but they usually have wild patterns with neon colors and usually black too, but they're the kind of patterns only found in jam shorts. They're not necessarily ugly, they're just outrageous (and usual but today's standards).

[dapperdanman]

yeah yeah. ok. I get what you're at. neon pink wavy lines and shit. right on.

[dapperdanman]

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