Maybe the death will unhappen and she'll have memories of further Doctors then? IDK.
I wish I could just blank that speech out of me memory. Out of canon. The invisiTARDIS is silly but at least it doesn't piss me off on a personal level.
I'm thinking probably that. This feels like another "And large parts of the season will be wiped out at the end of the season" season.
I've had someone since make the point that at least the scene finally gets around to acknowledging that the Doctor did the same thing to Amy. So I'm not quite so negative on it any longer. I'll revert to negative on it if the season doesn't explore the fact that both Amy and River have been mucked around by the Doctor, and make a point that that isn't a good thing.
1) I kind of liked it because it underscores how kinda fucked up the relationship really is -- which it kinda has to be, choppy and out of order like that. Maybe the apparent lack of issues from before is just too good to be true. Also I think when people use "I live for it" terminology, maybe it's not so much literal as it just means a lot to them? I dunno. Anyway, what I like about it is that Doctor/River isn't this idealized perfect partnership as much now. But I will say this: really, if she isn't scared of him dying, what the hell was that pointless triggerhappy reaction to the astronaut about? And I will DEFINITELY concede that even with the above said, his death should still be more upsetting to think about.
7) Did I miss a line? 'Cause he was like "I'm turning it invisible!" and I was like "OH SO RETRO WHO." Apparently I missed him claiming he'd never done it?
"Amy's grief over the Doctor was really well-done"
*wails*
14) ...I spoke to this subject in my own reaction post. I won't screech it again here.
1) I don't mind issues. I really love the idea of her being torn and conflicted and confused over this relationship, because it has to be hard for her, hard and complicated. But saying she lives for it, saying him forgetting her is worse than dying? I can say she was using hyperbole for the first, but the second... And the idea of the Doctor having such a massive influence on her as a young girl? Basically directing her path? Skeeves me right out.
7) He certainly didn't seem to know how. I'm not sure how I feel about River piloting the TARDIS better than he does.
"And the idea of the Doctor having such a massive influence on her as a young girl? Basically directing her path? Skeeves me right out."
Yeah...it made me flinch to. I understand that he had to, 'cause of the whole it is written thing, but it's still really creepy -- the choice to tell this story, really -- all the more creepy that he was in love with future her at the time, and even moreso for the fact that it's in reverse time, so the best is already over by the time she's getting ready for it, and she's just chasing nothing and won't stop. And so despite the smiles the flirting teased out of me this ep, it remains a ship I'm not really into, for the whole new reason now that the whole thing is just kind of pitiful. :/
7) Yeah, I don't get this whole knowing how to pilot better than him when he's the one who taught her. He, what, knew how to fly it immaculately and then forgot? What?
It doesn't seem very - Doctor either, like - he's kind of big on independence and choosing your own path. (Unless you're a female companion, apparently, yeah still bitter never mind me.) It seems like if he knows it's predetermined he'd just ease back and let it happen.
I just keep waiting for them to be on the same wavelength, for them to be truly comfortable together, and the sad thing is this means it's never going to happen.
7) Maybe he got better at it and taught her all these new tricks that he doesn't know yet?
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I had this thought, too, and found it hard to believe, considering the way Moffat's set her up to seem like she knows the Doctor throughout his life.
And much agreement on the River!speech sentiments, and on the invisible TARDIS. Sigh.
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I wish I could just blank that speech out of me memory. Out of canon. The invisiTARDIS is silly but at least it doesn't piss me off on a personal level.
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I've had someone since make the point that at least the scene finally gets around to acknowledging that the Doctor did the same thing to Amy. So I'm not quite so negative on it any longer. I'll revert to negative on it if the season doesn't explore the fact that both Amy and River have been mucked around by the Doctor, and make a point that that isn't a good thing.
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I'm in the process of fanwanking the hell out of that monologue but it's giving me trouble.
Oooh, I've wanted Amy/River since the Angels ep. It's definitely one of my favourite dynamics.
I have some issues with Rory that were never really resolved, but he was nice here.
Eleven has rocketed up into one of my favorite Doctors. (...Okay, most of them are my favorite Doctors. BUT MY POINT STANDS.) Matt Smith is amazing.
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7) Did I miss a line? 'Cause he was like "I'm turning it invisible!" and I was like "OH SO RETRO WHO." Apparently I missed him claiming he'd never done it?
"Amy's grief over the Doctor was really well-done"
*wails*
14) ...I spoke to this subject in my own reaction post. I won't screech it again here.
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7) He certainly didn't seem to know how. I'm not sure how I feel about River piloting the TARDIS better than he does.
14) I agree with you completely.
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Yeah...it made me flinch to. I understand that he had to, 'cause of the whole it is written thing, but it's still really creepy -- the choice to tell this story, really -- all the more creepy that he was in love with future her at the time, and even moreso for the fact that it's in reverse time, so the best is already over by the time she's getting ready for it, and she's just chasing nothing and won't stop. And so despite the smiles the flirting teased out of me this ep, it remains a ship I'm not really into, for the whole new reason now that the whole thing is just kind of pitiful. :/
7) Yeah, I don't get this whole knowing how to pilot better than him when he's the one who taught her. He, what, knew how to fly it immaculately and then forgot? What?
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I just keep waiting for them to be on the same wavelength, for them to be truly comfortable together, and the sad thing is this means it's never going to happen.
7) Maybe he got better at it and taught her all these new tricks that he doesn't know yet?
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Does she have an LJ?
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