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orleanz October 1 2011, 18:57:07 UTC
а я после эпидемии EHEC в Германии завел себе привычку открывать дверь выходя из туалета ТОЛЬКО обернув ручку двери куском салфетки

затем я прохожу десяток метров по офису, сажусь за рабочий комп и кидаю скомканную салфетку, защитившую меня от ручки туалета, в мусорницу

я считаю что это очень хорошая привычка

on the flip side - рано или поздно коллеги заметят эту закономерность и подумают СТРАШНОЕ (не поняв что это за бумажка)

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shkrobius October 1 2011, 19:19:59 UTC
Это еще что! У отца был знакомый гинеколог в Москве, который по часу обжаривал на газовом пламени хлеб из булочной. Тут главное твердая вера в метод.

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arbat October 1 2011, 20:05:21 UTC

Я бы предположил, что ручка выходной двери туалета должна быть самым чистым местом туалета, - и, возможно, всей компании.

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shkrobius October 1 2011, 21:05:09 UTC
Я вот что не понимаю:

Если чуть не половина людей панически боится сесть попою на унитаз: зачем их, собственно, тогда ставят в общественные туалеты? Ставили б squat toilets, как в Европах - или Японии. Википедия, кстати, предлагает соломоново решение
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Nature%27s_Platform_toilet_converter.gif

Нет, балансируют на пятках, уделывают сиденье - или сооружают рождественские гирлянды из обрывков туалетной бумаги, которые потом засоряют слив. Запугали народ микробами, вот он и кумекает по-своему. А мне потом на этом голым местом сидеть.

Не могу молчать!

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ypolozov October 1 2011, 22:01:22 UTC
I didn't get why they assume all germs (‘colony forming units’) are equal as a threat? I don't think it is true.

>And ladies, never put your bags on the floor.

May be just don't put ladies fecal bag on a table or a bed?

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shkrobius October 2 2011, 00:12:41 UTC
It isn't true, of course, but it is likely that most of the bacteria found in public restrooms are coming out of human gut, and many of these bacteria are pathogenic. I think they do fecal and total coliform counts. More-or-less the same results are obtained when they count only staph, eg
http://cleanseats.com/toilet_seats/view/article-7.html
They give a nice table with frequency of contamination per site.

There is a guy from UAZ who makes living out of such studies, eg
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16134485
I've heard him once talking... and run to the bathroom in the middle of the presentation.

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sereshka October 1 2011, 23:52:28 UTC
Somehow I don't think that people who take all these precautions are doing it just to avoid germs. Getting someone else's urine or worse on your body and clothes has unpleasant effects beyond microbial infections.

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shkrobius October 2 2011, 00:14:53 UTC
sereshka October 2 2011, 00:26:03 UTC
Personally, I stopped drinking water long time ago, for all the disgusting things that fish do in it.

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shkrobius October 2 2011, 01:02:57 UTC
So, what are you drinking these days?

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egork October 3 2011, 15:44:53 UTC
Culture are the techniques for a forgotten cause. We do bunch of things that got disconnected from their immediate purpose. Hopefully lacking the ultimate litmus test those techniques do not mutate to their opposite. In the case of anti-bacterial soap it unfortunately seems to be the case.

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shkrobius October 3 2011, 16:38:14 UTC
True, but I think it is absurd to install objects of which people are afraid, and so develop elaborate rituals putting themselves and the others in more danger. If sitting on a public toilet is regarded by half of the nation as a suicidal act, then maybe we should admit that and go back to squatting -- or explain things better. This is a cultural solution that satisfies no one.

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kobak October 3 2011, 16:15:51 UTC
By the way, I have always found it hard to believe that washing fruits and vegetables can make them any safer to eat (by "washing" I mean brief rinsing in water, nobody uses soap to wash vegetables anyway). I buy apples or peaches on a market and what to eat one straight away, but no, I am always told that they should be brought home and washed first! What do you say?

And regarding washing one's hands: well, and what about surgeons who wash their hands before performing a surgery (at least according to any medical series or movie), do they have any reason to do it?

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shkrobius October 3 2011, 16:26:43 UTC
They use alcohol-based sanitizers and those are very efficient. I also remind you that they mostly rely on sterile gloves rather than their bare hands.

Washing produce is a good idea because you remove at least some of the agrochemicals that they use and also soil particles that can harbor all kinds of things. Mind that they use fungicides, food dyes, and what not to transport and package fruit. I'd wash it less for the sake of the bacteria than this other stuff.

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