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Canon vs. Fanon, part 21: Off-world fanon, part 2

Jul 28, 2010 22:54

Yes, yes, I know it's been over seven months. You can all stop sniggering, okay.Welcome to this rather belated installment of Canon vs. Fanon! Sit down, have a leisurely read, pull up a keyboard and get ready to discuss ( Read more... )

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traycer_ July 28 2010, 21:32:11 UTC

Gosh, I wish you could have posted these long before I'd written some of my fics. I'm cringing now. lol

As for Daniel waking up in Broca Divide, I always thought that the reason he called out for Jack was because that was who was talking at the moment. He heard Jack's voice, so he called out to him.

Still, it made for a little drama in that fic I wrote. *blush* That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!! :D

SG-1's missions only last for longer than a day when circumstances alter their original plans.

These conditions make up the very best of fanfics!! My favorite in fact (as is evident in my longer fics). :D I don't care much for tent!fics, but then again, they wouldn't be using them anyway when they are captured by the enemy or whatever. Squee!! Oh yeah! Bring 'em on! :)

Oh, how I love this show!!!

campylobacter July 28 2010, 23:00:01 UTC

Pshaw! Just because tentfics are more fanon than canon doesn't mean there's an avid readership that'll reject them just for that premise.

One-day missions for SG-1 are obviously a trope that Wright & Co. use to get the Team into awesome trouble, because extended missions make for boring TV. After all, most TV viewers will get as bored as Jack & Teal'c would keeping watch over the Science Twins as they geek out over old ruins and alien tech.

traycer_ July 29 2010, 00:28:48 UTC

I'm sure there are a lot of people who love tent!fics, otherwise we wouldn't have them. I just have a problem with them, and I'm a multi-shipper who will ship those guys with just about everyone! :) But that's just me, and I am nowhere near a really good representative of this fandom.

And I thought the very same thing about the one-day missions, in fact, I even typed up something to that effect when I was going to post my comment - something along the lines of the missions we never got to see - but changed my mind. You said it way better than I did. Still, technically it's fanon because Wright & Co didn't get around to showing us the longer missions.

They did, however, give us the captured by Jaffa/aliens, imprisoned, enslaved, tortured and drugged and all that other good stuff that made me love this show, so I won't complain. Besides, its the missions they didn't tell us about that fuels the fanfic stories - whether they include tents or not!

campylobacter July 29 2010, 01:42:16 UTC

I multi-ship, too! There's too much Pretty to choose just one pairing.

magnavox-23 wrote a really short fic about the mysterious P3X-595 mission mentioned in Emancipation, based on Jack saying to Sam, "Remember that time on P3X-595? You drank that stuff that made you take off..." (No tents mentioned, though.)

Kinda makes me suspect that overnight missions were sort of avoided after that. ;-D

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aelfgyfu_mead July 28 2010, 21:32:17 UTC

Thank you for all the work you've done digging up all these examples! I am amazed at how much you've covered.

I think Daniel calling for Jack comes not only out of a desire to make Jack into a father-figure, but out of the two-person tent syndrome. Jack always sleeps with Daniel in stories I've read with tents, I think. I vaguely recall some where sleeping arrangements are discussed and maybe even where Sam and Daniel share so that they can stay up late, but it seems to be almost a given that Jack and Daniel, and Sam and Teal'c, share. It's still fanon, but I think I"m less bothered by it than you may be; often I think it doesn't indicate a desire to infantilize Daniel, but more a sense that Jack and Daniel are just really used to sharing space.

Yes, Sam is the dangerous one! I have seen people use the biting in fanfic, too, though not often.

I agree that nightmares make a lot of sense. Part of the deal with fanon is that it often fills in the gaps that limited screen time leaves. We don't see a lot of SG-1 asleep when they're not ( ... )

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sg_fignewton July 29 2010, 07:36:40 UTC

Thanks for the details! I've never thought of it beyond "no way would Sam and Jack share a tent - completely against the frat regs." I do like the idea of only three sleeping spaces, because they would have someone on watch at all times.

aelfgyfu_mead July 29 2010, 12:27:47 UTC

Thanks-I'll file that away for future reference!

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suzannemarie July 28 2010, 21:35:06 UTC

Of all the times we see Jack awakening, nearly all of them are after being drugged, wounded, or mind-zapped. We only see him wake up under relatively normal circumstances twice: in Revisions and in Threads. And in both of these cases, there is no sign of especial alertness or dangerous reactions.Ah, you hinted at the protest that I was forming as I got to the end of your list: that he was in some way impaired in all but two of the examples that you cite. I've never written that particular trope (and don't have any particular interest in doing so), but it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable. I've known people who are related to combat veterans who have mentioned that they make it a point to be standing at a distance if they want to wake that person up because *sometimes* if they're woken suddenly unfortunate reflexes can kick in ( ... )

sg_fignewton July 29 2010, 07:42:44 UTC

::grins:: Yes, that's why I specified the conditions with each episode - it's hardly fair to use incidents in which Jack is drugged and/or injured as proof!

I've known people who are related to combat veterans who have mentioned that they make it a point to be standing at a distance if they want to wake that person up because *sometimes* if they're woken suddenly unfortunate reflexes can kick in.

Oh, I quite agree. The premise is definitely sound. We just... don't have any proof of it. (Although someone below cited the Nox when they awake after being dead - I need to go watch that again.)

Thanks for the Zero Hour reference! He certainly doesn't wake up particularly alert and dangerous there.

I think we're on the same page here, in that it's a perfectly reasonable idea and has solid real-life verisimilitude. I quite enjoy reading a scene where Jack is awakened and has someone halfway to a chokehold before realizing it's necessary. It's when the author suggests that this kind of thing is routine that I'd label it as veering into ( ... )

Don't wake me, I'm dreaming! campylobacter July 28 2010, 22:46:48 UTC

Off-World Missions

If you need to complete a list of other SG teams in tents on longer excursions, there's 2x13 "Spirits":

HAMMOND: We commissioned SG-11 to extract more Trinium samples from the planet. As of this morning, they are 48 hours overdue for the weekly check-in.

( ... )

Re: Don't wake me, I'm dreaming! sg_fignewton July 29 2010, 07:48:10 UTC

Hee, great pic, thank you! I'd forgotten about Spirits, yes. And they certainly had been around long enough to have that coffee pot!

200. Argh, don't remind me. As far as I'm concerned, its only absolute canon point is Daniel's new glasses. ;)

I'm sorry, but that just happens to be the way that I feel about it.

Oh, I can tell that you're a fan of S9-10! :) That's a quote from Window of Opportunity - the line of dialogue that Daniel says every. single. time they reloop.

And thanks for the typo, heh. Fixed now!

Re: Don't wake me, I'm dreaming! campylobacter July 29 2010, 08:06:48 UTC

Hey, I'm a fan of all the episodes I've seen! It's just that I'm only up to 2x14 in my pre-Seasons 9&10 viewing. I'm watching as fast as I can! I just have a tendency to re-watch an episode 4 times before viewing the next one. (You know, once without captions, once with captions, once with commentary, and once again to pause the slashy/shippy scenes.)

Everyone needs some crack in their canon, and "200" delivers. Keeps us on our toes! :-D

Re: Don't wake me, I'm dreaming! sg_fignewton July 29 2010, 08:47:02 UTC

Hee! You're linking all your posts over at the redial_the_gate fanwork entries, right?

The thing with crack is that it's so subjective. There were parts of 200 that I laughed, parts that made me roll my eyes, and parts I couldn't stand. To each their own. :)

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cleothemuse July 28 2010, 22:51:07 UTC

Overnight missions are something I think TPTB stopped for convenience's sake. To show that a mission was going to take more than a day, that'd mean the actors would be wearing the larger packs and the FRED would have to be dusted off and loaded with boxes that look like they might contain supplies.

The larger command tents and bunk tents make more sense for lengthy missions and missions with larger numbers of personnel involved. Two-man pup tents are relatively small and lightweight by comparison. Likewise, since the team consists of two men, a woman, and a Jaffa who doesn't require sleep, the two-tent scenario is best.

sg_fignewton July 29 2010, 08:00:17 UTC

I think TPTB stopped for convenience's sake.

That's certainly possible. It may even be probable. But as I wrote above, it actually makes sense that SG-1 sets out only lightly geared up, because chances are high they're going to be sneaking around/running for their life. If you're walking blind (or mostly blind) into a situation, it's reasonable to ensure that you can move quickly if you have to.

since the team consists of two men, a woman, and a Jaffa who doesn't require sleep, the two-tent scenario is best.

Oh, I totally agree. And as I said in my conclusion, this is one bit of canon I'm quite happy to ignore. I just... want people to know what is actually canon. :)