TW for homophobia everywhere, I am not even joking.

[tinysock]

Persona 4 is an RPG known for, among other things, introducing a gay character and a trans character only to treat them like absolute shit. The anime adaptation is worse.

On Tumblr, a post is made about the week's episode. (Post contains images containing homophobic dialogue.) The poster points out that the scene, though played for laughs, isn't

Comments

[kurenai_tenka]

I always wished the game had been clearer on it actually (though I didn't finish Naoto's S-link so that could clear it up)... I wasn't sure if the conclusion Naoto came to was that he was a guy, or that she had thought that she needed to be to follow her career path.

Did the S-link/Japanese version clear it up?

[kitbug]

Not really, and you can sort of coerce her into dressing like a girl for the Christmas event. :\

[kurenai_tenka]

Oh yeah, I saw that scene of Youtube. =/ Absolutely awful, especially the option to say 'you look better that way' or whatever it was. Yuck.

[kitbug]

As far as Naoto's trans status, maybe I'm just projecting, but I always saw her as a female-bodied genderqueer like myself. XD

[kurenai_tenka]

I'm afraid that I'm going on google as to the exact definition for female-bodied genderqueer, but from what I've read that sounds like a good fit. :)

[kaelstra]

Genderqueer is a fairly broad umbrella term, but I'd imagine a female-bodied genderqueer might be someone who is okay with their female body, but has a male persona, or even a bigender persona.

[kurenai_tenka]

Oooh I see, thankyou for explaining. :)I'm hearing varying different things from people on the definition, so I assume it's a fairly broad term.

[kitbug]

That's pretty much how I think of it.

[ethereon]

I'd imagine it would be a genderqueer person who has a female body. No requirement for them to be okay with it. Being as that's what I am*, and I'm not okay with it.

*though I don't "have a male[/bigender] persona". I'm a person who is neither male nor female.

[kaelstra]

True. Though not everyone who is genderqueer minds their biological sex. It's a hard term to explain, since it covers a pretty broad range, and does cover several forms of non-binary genders, including no gender and androgeny. I hate trying to explain it, I always worry I will muck it when people ask me to explain, so I tend to avoid it with people I know.

[kaelstra]

I like your simply explanation better, I will have to keep it in mind for the future. :)

I personally don't mind my body, and label more closer to bigender than anything else, though genderqueer covers it more broadly.

[balivatn]

There are a few definitions that could fit that description - I'm female bodied (I was assigned female at birth, i.e., my sex aligns with what is commonly described as "female" in our society), but I don't gender identify. I have no plans to change anything about my body. There are others who may have been assigned female at birth that don't really have any plans to change what led to that assignment, but they may identify with more masculine traits, they may identify as both feminine and masculine, or they may identify as neither. And those identifications may change from day to day - some days I do feel more "feminine" or "masculine." There are a variety of things that can affect that feeling.

[kurenai_tenka]

Ah okay, thankyou for the explanation. :) I possibly fit into that umbrella myself then, though personally I tend to reject all notions of 'feminine' and 'masculine', but in the sense of societal perceptions I probably fit into a bit a both.

Would I be right in understanding you as saying that it's a fairly blanket term for having a 'female' body but not identifying with the binary interpretation if it in some way?

[kaelstra]

Obviously I can't speak for balivatn, but

Would I be right in understanding you as saying that it's a fairly blanket term for having a 'female' body but not identifying with the binary interpretation if it in some way?

I would think that's a pretty accurate understanding, yes. Though again, "genderqueer" is a fairly broad term, and means different things to different people. At the heart of it, it just means someone who bucks the norm on how they perceive their own gender, however that may be.

I myself am female-bodied genderqueer.

[kurenai_tenka]

Cool, thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. :)