Heroes 3.04 I am become death

[selenak]

Said by Robert Oppenheimer when Project Manhattan, the atom bomb, was first tested successfully; if I recall correctly, the test site was called Trinity. He was quoting the Mahabaratha, and the complete quote said by him was: "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

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[astrogirl2]

if I recall correctly, the test site was called Trinity.

Yes, Trinity Site, here in New Mexico. Not all that far from where I live, actually.

Though I really hope Noah Junior wasn't supposed to be Claire's kid as well because that would make me throw up.

Considering that Sylar is (or at least clearly believes himself to be) her uncle, one would certainly hope not. (I mean, I know it doesn't stop fandom, but even though there's a definite crackfic vibe to that whole thing, I still think canon would draw some kind of a line there.)

[selenak]

Just out of curiosity, if one lives near a test site, former or not, are you afraid of lingering radiation?

Sylar's family status: phew. You're right. *is relieved* Incidentally, by now I have read a great theory about little Noah's identity which I choose to believe until told otherwise by the show: it's actually HRG himself, de-aged by long term effects of Claire's blood. Because Sylar babysitting Noah Bennet in child form is just the type of crack to appeal to me.

[selenak]

Elle as a possible mother did not occur to me till you said it, and now I'm afraid, too. Nooooo, show, just say nooooo!

Though other than the de-aged HRG possibility, I think little Noah could not be physically related to Sylar at all - in fact, since this version "Gabriel" lives in the casa Bennett in Noah B's place, it would fit if the child he controls himself for is adopted. So - maybe Maya's kid with Mohinder? Because in The Fly, the girl gets pregnant as well.

[cadesama]

especially given that they've now made him guilty of fratricide in two timelines.

Wait, when did he kill Nathan before? The original release of the virus couldn't have involved Peter, because he was MIA due to time travel, and in 5YG, we never saw if he actually killed Sylar.

Nope that’s right. Sylar’s starting over. Getting a whole new slate of powers as he goes. You can count Jesse’s voice powers into the mix as well.

Oh, I doubt it. If there's going to be an incest baby on the show, I'm sure it will somehow be Peter's.

No idea how the whole Tracey, Niki, Barbara as triplets retcon is reconcilable with Niki and Jessica, but maybe we'll learn more.

Well, they never claimed in canon that Niki and Jessica were twins, fans just assumed that because the personality Jessica was played by Ali Larter. But Jessica playing Mozart while Niki is still drawing with crayon and even the dates on her tombstone indicate that Jessica may have been older.

Oh, and

[cadesama]

RE: Peter possibly committing suicide, I think some form of that will happen. Death or losing his powers or major time line exile. I'm not convinced he's going to be responsible for the problems of this future, though -- thus far Hiro is actually far more responsible. Sure, Claire blames Peter for Costa Verde getting blown up, but that was actually Knox's fault. Don't kick the table into the kid, and then Sylar doesn't lose it.

The issue of immediacy is what's interesting to me. There is none. Clearly, the world is still there in one year, and in two, and then in three. Year four is a bit problematic, but I'm wondering how they can get across the scope of the problem when the solution today is keeping a secret, and therefore not terribly eventful.

Re: Oh, and

[selenak]

I'm not convinced he's going to be responsible for the problems of this future, though -- thus far Hiro is actually far more responsible.

De facto? Yes. How Peter is bound to see it? No. Not with FClaire blaming him and the memory of killing Nathan.

Immediacy: probably the date at which the formula becomes public (or at least available for people not Angela and Kaito) is far closer, and this is a condition for what follows. Also, do we know whether Tokio goes boom four years into the future, or earlier? Because I don't think we got the "four years later" title card when Hiro did his jump and saw his argument with FAndo. If Tokio crumbles one year into the future, then Costa Verda taking three more years time isn't exactly a comfort to the inhabitants of Tokio, and it's about time this isn't all about American cities.*g*

Re: Oh, and

[cadesama]

How Peter is bound to see it? No. Not with FClaire blaming him and the memory of killing Nathan.

Oh, he'll definitely blame himself. I'm just not entirely on board with fans talking about how the apocalypse is always Peter's fault. So far, this one is Hiro's problem.

If Tokio crumbles one year into the future, then Costa Verda taking three more years time isn't exactly a comfort to the inhabitants of Tokio, and it's about time this isn't all about American cities.*g*

True, and good point. Despite how shiny and nice that future otherwise looks, there is the newspaper that indicates there have been several disasters due to powers. The destruction of Tokyo could have been much more recent, particularly because Future!Hiro looks nothing like 5YG!Hiro -- he could have been mid-make-over.

[ide_cyan]

...I'm suddenly wondering whether they're going to go all onomastic about Nathan's visions of Linderman talking about angels and his mother being called Angela, or the king-who-will-return thing with *Arthur* Petrelli. (Such as with Noah Bennett having done a whole lot of tracking down and collecting of specimens.)

Totally agree with you about the retcon of Sylar's inquisitiveness as an uncontrollable hunger blah blah blah. It's very "Willow suddenly gets addicted to magic" (speaking of Dark Phoenixes!). (Or Gallifrey-go-boom.)

[selenak]

On second thought, if Peter doesn't start a serial killer career now, it would save the retcon from providing an easy excuse for Sylar, yes.

Giving up his powers is also viable, but I'm not sure how he could do that. I mean, he can drug himself a la Four Months Ago, but that's only a temporary solution. If we get a character who takes powers (as the Haitian does, only permanently) but doesn't reproduce them, it would do the trick, of course, but it wouldn't be a visually dramatic gesture. So I'm more inclined to suspect suicide.

[47_trek_47]

If we get a character who takes powers (as the Haitian does, only permanently) but doesn't reproduce them,

Hmm. Combined with my theory that FPeter has lost his healing ability, I wonder if this is a possibility. Heh, maybe it's Arthur's power, if he actually isn't dead. *G*

[selenak]

Quite. Mind you, if that's Arthur's power and he's alive, then he'd need a middleman a la Maury to play Head!Linderman, so it might not be. We also need an explanation for Nathan's return from the dead, and it can't be actual Linderman who is really dead, but then again he probably wasn't the only healer around.

[greenpear]

I always figured Adam would make a return visit. I just didn't think it would be Hiro and Ando that dug him up.

So yeah, every time Peter went back and changed things that created a new timeline. This could get a little confusing if they keep that up. How are we supposed to keep track of which timeline is which?

And they certainly did want Nathan with Niki/Tracey/(whoever she is this episode) to be together. I don't think Tracey was ever an original idea...