Heroes 3.04 I am become death

Oct 08, 2008 11:30

Said by Robert Oppenheimer when Project Manhattan, the atom bomb, was first tested successfully; if I recall correctly, the test site was called Trinity. He was quoting the Mahabaratha, and the complete quote said by him was: "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

Guess whom this makes Oppenheimer? )

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selenak October 8 2008, 12:16:44 UTC
On second thought, if Peter doesn't start a serial killer career now, it would save the retcon from providing an easy excuse for Sylar, yes.

Giving up his powers is also viable, but I'm not sure how he could do that. I mean, he can drug himself a la Four Months Ago, but that's only a temporary solution. If we get a character who takes powers (as the Haitian does, only permanently) but doesn't reproduce them, it would do the trick, of course, but it wouldn't be a visually dramatic gesture. So I'm more inclined to suspect suicide.

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47_trek_47 October 8 2008, 12:39:16 UTC
If we get a character who takes powers (as the Haitian does, only permanently) but doesn't reproduce them,

Hmm. Combined with my theory that FPeter has lost his healing ability, I wonder if this is a possibility. Heh, maybe it's Arthur's power, if he actually isn't dead. *G*

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selenak October 8 2008, 12:49:08 UTC
Quite. Mind you, if that's Arthur's power and he's alive, then he'd need a middleman a la Maury to play Head!Linderman, so it might not be. We also need an explanation for Nathan's return from the dead, and it can't be actual Linderman who is really dead, but then again he probably wasn't the only healer around.

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47_trek_47 October 8 2008, 13:01:21 UTC
I'd say that maybe his power is to take the powers and keep them, but that doesn't work because it seems to be strongly suggested that Peter and Sylar are pretty new and unique in that way.

But I do continue to think that mental!Linderman is acting possibly like Arthur Petrelli might. If so, I eagerly await Nathan's reaction to how insubordinate he's been acting towards Pop.

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selenak October 8 2008, 13:11:01 UTC
It's so far the most fanfic-inspiring scenario of this season to me, if it's true, because I could see the rationale for Arthur choosing to appear as Linderman, instead of as himself to Nathan: a Petrelli-style twisted mixture of affection and revenge. Because Nathan was his favourite, but Nathan did turn against him at the end, and why? Because of a) Linderman (as in, prosecution of same at court) and b) Peter (i.e. Arthur is bound to see it that way because of his own bad relationship with Peter and Nathan enlisting Peter for testimony in the Linderman case. Hence appearance as Linderman.

...if it's not Arthur but a new character, I will pout. A lot. Because it wouldn't be nearly as good!

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47_trek_47 October 8 2008, 13:16:00 UTC
Because it wouldn't be nearly as good!

It really, really wouldn't. And, yeah. I think if it's not, I'll be very disappointed.

Another thing I note is that Not!Linderman always seems almost... hurt when Nathan brushes him off. Again, that hints that he's got a personal relationship with Nathan that Nathan doesn't know about...

Also, it would kind of make sense... Angela knows about FPeter... knows why he's trying to kill Nathan, and therefore, could have been partly responsible for the brain-washing of Nathan in order to make him no longer a target to FPeter. In that she enlisted Arthur to do it. Perhaps envailing upon him to think of his favorite son and forget about that whole she-faked-his-death thing.

Or I suppose Arthur could have been in on his own fake death, or that Angela knows nothing about it. Hrm.

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selenak October 8 2008, 13:22:58 UTC
Another thing I note is that Not!Linderman always seems almost... hurt when Nathan brushes him off. Again, that hints that he's got a personal relationship with Nathan that Nathan doesn't know about...

Yes. Real!Linderman was amused at Nathan's hostility, by contrast.

Angela and Arthur: currently I'm going with the assumption he faked his death without her knowing about it, because that makes more sense with her general behaviour these last seasons. Doesn't mean she wouldn't know he's alive know, she very well might, but: consider. Angela and Kaito had the two halves of the formula. Arthur, according to Nathan's recollections as voiced to Matt last season, knew they had an affair and resented it. (Or at least resented Angela hugging Kaito a bit too long during Elder gatherings. What if one of the reasons, other than getting out of the being prosected by favourite son/being tied to Linderman situation, why he faked his death was to get his hands on the formula as a way to deal a blow to Kaito and Angela?

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anonymous October 8 2008, 15:40:21 UTC
What if one of the reasons, other than getting out of the being prosected by favourite son/being tied to Linderman situation, why he faked his death was to get his hands on the formula as a way to deal a blow to Kaito and Angela?

Oh, I like this idea. I hope this is true.

Heh, those Elders. They all hate each other for so many different reasons. I love the shifting alliances, like Angela wanting Adam back now that the virus threat is over and other Elder-related stuff is going on.

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47_trek_47 October 8 2008, 15:41:05 UTC
Oops, that was me.

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47_trek_47 October 8 2008, 15:44:03 UTC
I also would speculate that Victoria Pratt is responsible mostly for developing the formula, given that she was the "scientist" of the bunch. It seems like Angela was pretty close with Pratt, too, given how hard she tried to resist giving out her location (and the fact that she knew her location?) last season. Maybe Arthur was never on the same page as that group with regards to the formula?

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selenak October 8 2008, 16:05:38 UTC
Could very well be; my fanon is that Bob wasn't, either, much as he wasn't fond of either plan New York or plan world wide virus (though he liked idea of the virus as a control mechanism of other specials), and there might very well have been different factions within the Elders causing a stalemate until Arthur died/faked his death and the youngsters everywhere started manifesting.

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