Re: What she saidscendanNovember 28 2005, 17:22:24 UTC
I was really bugged about the fan art, because not only did they never credit the art onscreen--or the fan-done music, for that matter (except briefly in the credits)--so that nobody could tell the art or music was fan-made, but they also PULLED fan-art from an INCREDIBLY brief montage midway through the movie and pulled the credit for it as well. Which broke my heart, because I know the person who did some of the art. That sucked. I understand needing to compress the film, but why not those horrid dancing girls? Each of those could have been cut by about 5 seconds each without losing a thing (and gaining better editing). And then the heart of the movie--fans of LOTR--would not have been compromised even further than it has already been.
Still waitingleatherapronNovember 27 2005, 21:26:16 UTC
I am still waiting for the thing to come in the mail, and am hoping to see it by the end of the week. Did I mention thought that you just wrote an excellent bit of criticism here. I wish the average review in the average newspaper was as good as what you just wrote.
I am glad that the film is Trekkie. I was not thrilled by that film, and was harboring a bit of fear that this film might be the same.
I am definitely looking forward to Ringers. I was wondering though. I always thought that it would be a really great idea to make a movie about the LOTR with a broad historical and anthropolgical perspective. For instance, it amazes me that the novels had such a huge appeal to so many countercultural types in the 1960's (FRODO LIVES!) While being championed by conservative Christians and slash writers all at the same time.
Re: Still waitingleatherapronNovember 28 2005, 17:25:11 UTC
Bravo. That is good, since I wrote my comment in a hurry and the rest of it makes no sense now that I look it over again. I just got the film in mail today and am hoping to watch it tonight if time permits. It is going to be one of those days me thinks.
Yeah, it's kinda one of those mixed blessing things... in that well, "at least it wasn't trekkies", not that I think anyone was realistically worried that it would be, with not thinking that the Ringers crew would want to mock their peers...
However, at the same time, almost all of the ordinary fans were religated to very montages, most without any explaination. It seemed like, rather than "hey, look at all the different kinds of fans," it became, "hey, cool people can be fans as well! tolkien isn't dorky!" Which is their right, it's their film, of course, it's just vvverrryyy different from what we were originally told it would be. *shrugs* I remember Carlene saying we were going to be in the opening credits. *snort*
It's not that it's a disappointment, but that it doesn't really feel like it's a film about ordinary fans.
Yeah, exactly. I guess some of my sadness is that (as you know) we had gotten involved with another documentary (with no offense intended toward anyone involved in that who might read this journal!) which sort of folded up and died. And that was a bummer of reasonably sized proportions to my little fan-heart. And then this one had these promises of really, truly, being about and by fans...and it sort of...strayed.
Like you say, it's THEIR movie and they have the right to do with it whatever they wish. And it's a GOOD movie, moreover. It's just that I put a lot of hope into it within the context they portrayed it. And that's not the movie that came out the other end. So while I love Ringers and am thrilled for the filmmakers...I have a little preadolescent part of me that feels "done to" by circumstance. Not by the people who made the film, in an intentional way! Just...shoot. What they said the movie would be is not what the movie is, as fun as the movie turned out to be.
Those dancing people just make ME feel awkward when watching it with other people...and I feel like THAT reduces it to "Trekkie"-documentary appeal. -_-;
But I totally understand what ya mean about the REAL fans not getting enough screen time. Again I'm sure it was about legitimacy, but the fans really make it fun to watch.
Was it just me or did anyone watch the credits and feel shafted? It was weird how they listed some people on the "appearing" list and others didn't make it (or so that I saw). Originally I didn't even think names like ours would appear in the credits but it seems like it did. Yours was in it for sure, "possibly" mine but I'm not sure with a tag such as "Freya the 'Line Party' Dog." 0_o
I have NO idea why I show up in the credits like that, or John, for that matter (our "Faramir" from SDCC '04). Not a clue. It's not like we were in the movie any more than any other fan (read: for about 1 second, cummulative). It's fun to see my name there, but not at the expense of showing up in place of all these other people! And I totally don't get the "Freya the Line Dog" thing. It always makes me go... "huh?"
Did you maybe not sign a waiver with your legal name or something? What's funny is, I turned on the commentary track for the credits, just to hear/hope that they said some nice things about their fellow fans during it, and the only thing I can recall them saying is Carlene goes, "Oh! It's Freya!" in tones of delight. :)
Anyway, yeah...the credits leaves me feeling sort of bad that some of us are in the big ones and the majority in the smaller...for no apparent reason.
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I am glad that the film is Trekkie. I was not thrilled by that film, and was harboring a bit of fear that this film might be the same.
I am definitely looking forward to Ringers. I was wondering though. I always thought that it would be a really great idea to make a movie about the LOTR with a broad historical and anthropolgical perspective. For instance, it amazes me that the novels had such a huge appeal to so many countercultural types in the 1960's (FRODO LIVES!) While being championed by conservative Christians and slash writers all at the same time.
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However, at the same time, almost all of the ordinary fans were religated to very montages, most without any explaination. It seemed like, rather than "hey, look at all the different kinds of fans," it became, "hey, cool people can be fans as well! tolkien isn't dorky!" Which is their right, it's their film, of course, it's just vvverrryyy different from what we were originally told it would be. *shrugs* I remember Carlene saying we were going to be in the opening credits. *snort*
It's not that it's a disappointment, but that it doesn't really feel like it's a film about ordinary fans.
And the dancing people needed to DIE.
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Like you say, it's THEIR movie and they have the right to do with it whatever they wish. And it's a GOOD movie, moreover. It's just that I put a lot of hope into it within the context they portrayed it. And that's not the movie that came out the other end. So while I love Ringers and am thrilled for the filmmakers...I have a little preadolescent part of me that feels "done to" by circumstance. Not by the people who made the film, in an intentional way! Just...shoot. What they said the movie would be is not what the movie is, as fun as the movie turned out to be.
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But I totally understand what ya mean about the REAL fans not getting enough screen time. Again I'm sure it was about legitimacy, but the fans really make it fun to watch.
Was it just me or did anyone watch the credits and feel shafted? It was weird how they listed some people on the "appearing" list and others didn't make it (or so that I saw). Originally I didn't even think names like ours would appear in the credits but it seems like it did. Yours was in it for sure, "possibly" mine but I'm not sure with a tag such as "Freya the 'Line Party' Dog." 0_o
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Did you maybe not sign a waiver with your legal name or something? What's funny is, I turned on the commentary track for the credits, just to hear/hope that they said some nice things about their fellow fans during it, and the only thing I can recall them saying is Carlene goes, "Oh! It's Freya!" in tones of delight. :)
Anyway, yeah...the credits leaves me feeling sort of bad that some of us are in the big ones and the majority in the smaller...for no apparent reason.
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