Jews and decorations at Chanukah and Christmas time

Dec 24, 2006 09:45

While reading the New York Times this morning, I came across this piece, called "Jewish in a Winter Wonderland,", about a pair of Jewish newlyweds who decide that, being across the country from family where no one would know, they would put up a Christmas tree just because they wanted to. They're adults, after all, and they can indulge in all the ( Read more... )

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marinarusalka December 24 2006, 18:34:17 UTC
When I was a kid in the Soviet Union, nobody celebrated Christmas (or at least publically admitted to it), because religion was for evil Capitalist pigs, so the big holiday was New Year. Everyone had a decorated New Year's tree, and Father Frost (who, conveniently, looked just like Santa Claus) came down the chimney on New Year's Eve to leave presents for all the good little Communist boys and girls. I had no clue that the trappings were actually stolen from an entirely different holiday.

In the US, my folks keps putting up a New Year's tree for a while. They'd just put it up and decorate it the day after Christmas. I think they didn't stop until I went away to college. I kind of miss it, and am occasionally tempted to take up the tradition again, but like you, I find there's too much baggage attached once I start thinking about it. Plus, I'd have to keep explaining it to people, and that would get tiresome.

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scarlettina December 24 2006, 23:06:40 UTC
Everyone had a decorated New Year's tree, and Father Frost (who, conveniently, looked just like Santa Claus) came down the chimney on New Year's Eve to leave presents for all the good little Communist boys and girls.

::chuckle:: Humans do have a way of keeping that which we want to keep, don't we?

I find there's too much baggage attached once I start thinking about it.

Yep. I really wish there weren't.

By the way, I received the disc—thank you so much! Been listening to it pretty much constantly. Yay!

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ironymaiden December 24 2006, 19:38:47 UTC
i love the song, but i was disgusted by the comments. people suck.

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spazzychic December 24 2006, 22:05:00 UTC

The worst comments also display a total lack of understanding of basic English, and I doubt it's because they are non-native. Rather, they are ignorant asshats that can't be bothered to learn how to talk in their own language. Nuff said.

/end catty.

Anyway, I come from a place with no holiday traditions to speak of.. I mean really, none. So I just sorta do whatever works out year by year. I wish I had more of a history to lean back on.

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scarlettina December 24 2006, 23:03:17 UTC
Oh, I never read the comments on YouTube postings because they only confirm that people suck. I don't care what anyone else thinks when I watch a YouTube clip. I'm glad you liked the song, but I'm sorry the comments brought you down.

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mysticalforest December 24 2006, 19:42:02 UTC
“Santa Claus is inherently Christian,”
What?

the character is derived from a third-century saint, Nicolas
Keyword: Derived. Meaning: Not that any more.

Everything grows and evolves, yes (well, not if you're a certain type of Christian, oddly enough)? I don't think Santa = Christ any more, if "Santa" as opposed to S. Nick ever did.

Aren't Santa and Nick two separate entities anyway?

And who, outside of a devout Catholic, even knows what a saint is supposed to be in the mythology?

If anyone sees Santa Claus holding a can of Coke and thinks "Look! A holy dignitary of Christ!" (or whatever it is that saints are) I'll eat my hat and Santa's hat too.

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scarlettina December 24 2006, 23:23:39 UTC
I love your optimism, I really do. And I respect it. It would be lovely if more of the world saw things the way you do. I'm serious.

But "Santa Claus" does come from Sinterklaas, St. Nicholaas, Father Christmas; the association is there for those of us who don't believe in saints and Jesus. It comes out of Christian tradition; nothing at all to do with Judaism. His clothes are red because the figure upon whom he is based was a bishop, not because some Coca Cola artist randomly chose that color. Christianity is written all over the character, at least for Jews, and it's a hard separation for me to make emotionally even if I know it intellectually. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way; millions of others do, too. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade; I'm trying to shed light on a different perspective. And if I didn't have a hard time with it, if I weren't struggling with training and emotion versus intellect, I wouldn't have written this rumination in the first place ( ... )

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garyomaha December 24 2006, 20:48:33 UTC
Excellent, thought-provoking post. Thanks. I've been there, and not there, and there again over my lifetime ( ... )

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twilight2000 December 24 2006, 21:39:32 UTC
We have some folks in our neighborhood that have all white and blue lights -- and it's both very festive and very obviously *different* from the rest. I presume they celebrate Channukoh.

Many of my pagan friends have some trouble with this as well -- they want to reclaim the Tree -- but have so much baggage from their childhood, it feels like "letting mom win" to many of them.

It's a fine line -- and one that lies in a slightly different plane for almost everyone.

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