Oh, god, if I hadn't known going in that there would be a sixth season, I would probably have stopped watching two seconds into that body swap episode and never looked back. It was the worst season by far, ugh.
*sigh* Welcome to the world of those of us who lost the faith. No, I can't argue with any of your points (and I'm also not one who thought 5:18 was a very good episode, but I'm sure I already said that
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I had more thoughts originally, but hearing about this press junket interview and what Jensen said gives me a sick feeling in my heart. I'm straining for the silver lining here...
I think I remember from commentaries, though, that Sera appreciates Jensen even if her favorite character is Sam. She seems to appreciate his acting and general professionalism, so I don't think she would be out to destroy his character intentionally. She was always anvilicious, though, so who knows? The end result might inadvertently be the same...
I actually DON'T wanna spoil you for the end, but half of the fandom absolutely DESPISED it. In fact I'd say more than half, and not in the usual omfg Kripke you BASTARD, my heart ;___; way. It actually took me a bit to come to terms with it, and I know two people who are done with the show as a whole because of it.
I will also say this: as much as I love that show, as heavily invested in it and its characters I am, the finale made me wish that it had not been renewed because I think the knowledge that they had a S6 they had to write fucked up how they ended it. I really think it would have ended on a completely different note if it had a REAL end.
Oh yeah, and it's Sam that dies. Leaving Dean massively fucked up, ONCE again. That's his thanks for everything he's done for his brother. I am so tired of Dean being the one to get fucked up by EVERYTHING.
Hey again! *hugs* I missed you in my S5 ranting. <3
Given the descriptions I've read, I don't think I will ever be able to stomach the finale. The episodes leading up to it did nothing to set it up as a rewarding experience for me. And Chuck! UGH.
I think you and green_queen are probably right. This whole thing seems to have derailed as a result of being renewed for another season. I have loved the even-numbered seasons so far, so there is hope on that front, although the J2 interview people have mentioned concerns me. :(
*sigh* I hope Dean isn't given any sort of guilty "it should have been me!" arc in S6 to compensate for this heavy-handed growing up theme in S5. I'm extremely disappointed that Sam's "absolution" was handled the way it was, with only possessed and/or violent and/or otherwise unsympathetic characters holding him accountable. It was all consequence, no responsibility. Blah.
Yeah, I don't think I'll ever watch this finale again - I mean, Sam (or rather, Lucifer in Sam's body) beats the shit out of Dean and Dean just lets him saying "I'm here Sammy, I'm here," and it just makes me sick to watch him get beat like that. (And the resolution is ridiculous - light glints off the Impala's mirror, as that's what Sam is holding Dean against as he's punching the shit outta him, and the light ~glitters in Sam's eye~ and there's a montage of brotherly love moments like Sam remembering and suddenly Sam can get control back from Lucifer and hurtles himself into a cage). It's completely ridiculous
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I actually DON'T wanna spoil you for the end, but half of the fandom absolutely DESPISED it. I'm glad to hear this, actually. On my f-list, it was all *silence* or "Trust in Kripke! Squee!", and I thought the S5 ending was just utter bullshit at the end of a season that was mostly bullshit to begin with. Somehow, the finale was actually worse than most of the character assassination and Epic Arc Stupidity that was foisted off on the audience during the rest of S5. Ugh.
This comment isn't meant to ruffle any feathers. I'm a fan of the show and of the actors. I've never been very fannish person for anything else. There something about SPN though that sucked me in from the beginning. I won't abandon it or disparage anyone because there have been week spots in the story or because I'm not in agreement with a specific plot line, such as Lisa-Ben-Dean. At first I hated it but after careful consideration
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No ruffled feathers here, but there is a line missing from that last paragraph which shows up in the IGN inteview. It's: I think that the writers were kind of going, "We don't know how to write for this guy either." That doesn't inspire me with confidence if the writers don't know what they're doing with this story line this far into the season
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Yes, it's going to be different at first, a little awkward because we're not used to this kind of Dean. I had to try and imagine how it would be if they placed Dean as we know him into the framework of a normal, family guy life. I honestly don't think that would have worked. It would probably make for a good comic episode but that wouldn't have been a good way to open the season. Old Dean shopping, going to PTA meetings, being snarky to the neighbors, having a boss with a schedule, probably teaching Ben about weaponry and laughing when Ben discovers 'Busty Asian Beauties.' That would go over well with Lisa. She got angry with Dean for trying to teach him how to fight when he saw Ben get bullied plus she was less than thrilled to find out what he really did in life
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This show drives me up the wall.
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I think I remember from commentaries, though, that Sera appreciates Jensen even if her favorite character is Sam. She seems to appreciate his acting and general professionalism, so I don't think she would be out to destroy his character intentionally. She was always anvilicious, though, so who knows? The end result might inadvertently be the same...
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I will also say this: as much as I love that show, as heavily invested in it and its characters I am, the finale made me wish that it had not been renewed because I think the knowledge that they had a S6 they had to write fucked up how they ended it. I really think it would have ended on a completely different note if it had a REAL end.
Oh yeah, and it's Sam that dies. Leaving Dean massively fucked up, ONCE again. That's his thanks for everything he's done for his brother. I am so tired of Dean being the one to get fucked up by EVERYTHING.
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Given the descriptions I've read, I don't think I will ever be able to stomach the finale. The episodes leading up to it did nothing to set it up as a rewarding experience for me. And Chuck! UGH.
I think you and green_queen are probably right. This whole thing seems to have derailed as a result of being renewed for another season. I have loved the even-numbered seasons so far, so there is hope on that front, although the J2 interview people have mentioned concerns me. :(
*sigh* I hope Dean isn't given any sort of guilty "it should have been me!" arc in S6 to compensate for this heavy-handed growing up theme in S5. I'm extremely disappointed that Sam's "absolution" was handled the way it was, with only possessed and/or violent and/or otherwise unsympathetic characters holding him accountable. It was all consequence, no responsibility. Blah.
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I'm glad to hear this, actually. On my f-list, it was all *silence* or "Trust in Kripke! Squee!", and I thought the S5 ending was just utter bullshit at the end of a season that was mostly bullshit to begin with. Somehow, the finale was actually worse than most of the character assassination and Epic Arc Stupidity that was foisted off on the audience during the rest of S5. Ugh.
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That said, I feel terribly conflicted upon reading this interview. :(
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(I'm so out of it...)
You make some good points. I'm trying my best to be an optimistic realist, too. It may work or it may not.
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