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samsom

Dear People who manage Angel (as an interest) on Facebook

Sep 16, 2013 17:48

If you're going to ask fans who their favorite character is, please use a promo pic that includes Cordelia fucking Chase. Using a s5 promo (probably because Spike was on it) pic is likely to cause some long time fans to regress and leave nasty, mean spirited comments instead of a straight-forward answer ( Read more... )

it's a been a long day

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makd September 17 2013, 02:50:42 UTC

Ya think they're a bit biased?

samsom September 17 2013, 04:55:23 UTC

I think....I'm going to try to answer this with my big girl panties on instead of from the depths of my outraged fangirl soul...I think once they decided to take AtS in the direction they did at the end of the 4th season and the beginning of the 5th, they pretty much dropped everything that reminded the audience of that horrifying s4 crapfest storyline. In other words, Cordelia and Connor (and that oh-so-problematic actress that ruined Joss' shiny story). S5 was the new show, the new beginning, and they had this shining star in Spike, who was so popular with the fans - whether hated or loved, people talked about him. So I think that's probably why they used the s5 promo, Spike is in it, it was the season that was supposed to jump start AtS, yadda, yadda, yadda. But all I see is how it erases Cordelia - again - from the canvas. In a way Doyle wasn't. His legacy was the visions, and being the funny/tragic figure that tied Cordelia and Angel with their own history, separate from Sunnydale. Cordelia had NO legacy in s5. She was ( ... )

makd September 18 2013, 04:05:48 UTC

I don't do FB, but whoa. Much as I love(d) Angel - Cordelia was an important part of the show - and they absolutely fucked up her role - and we know why: she got pregnant. Asshats. absolute asshats (and Joss: I'm lookin' straight at you. feminist...yeah right.

/rant over.

red_satin_doll September 18 2013, 15:33:58 UTC

and we know why: she got pregnant.

And here's the real irony: Fandom talks a lot about Joss' Bad Dads but less often talk about his Dead Moms. Every literal or metaphorical "mother figure" on Btvs or AtS that I'm aware of ends up dead by the end of the series except for Drusilla who is already undead anyway, and Buffy, who dies twice (3 times if you count Villains). Joyce, Darla, Tara - whose own mother is already dead - Maggie Walsh.

I don't count the ones who appear only one episode and don't really matter (Sheila Rosenberg and Mrs Harris.)

With the Slayers, I can generously make a symbolic connection between them and the historical fact that childbirth was once the #1 killer of women in the West. But every single mom on both shows?

I recently read that Joss' mother died when he was young and his father sent him away to school. Which explains a hell of a lot - including an inability to see past his own history, apparently. (And people slam the hell out of Marti Noxon for drawing on her own life experiences.)

Joss: I'm ( ... )

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red_satin_doll September 17 2013, 03:07:51 UTC

Considering the fact that I can find tons of Spangel fic relative to "Cangel" (god I hate smushnames) or just Angel, Cordy gen, this? Does not surprise me.

I'm not sure how such a major character can get such short shrift in fandom - and I haven't even watched much of AtS. I'm just talking from a plain damn common sense viewpoint.

samsom September 17 2013, 06:36:04 UTC

Well, Spangel fic is pretty thick on the ground relative to just about any other ship, other than Spander or Spangel. Slash is prodigious compared to het ships imo ( ... )

red_satin_doll September 18 2013, 15:48:37 UTC

Slash is prodigious compared to het ships imo.

Even compared to Bangel or Spuffy? (FYI: one thing I've learned is that if Spike is mentioned in any conversation even as a sidenote it quickly becomes ALL ABOUT HIM.)

So there's less to explore, and because she was a Mean GirlAnd I admit that watching the show for the first time last year she was the character I liked the least in the early seasons because in school I'd been the Willow/Marcie/Jonathan character at the receiving end of that kind of meanness from the time I walked into kindergarten onward. So I didn't have a lot of sympathy when she bemoaned the fact in S2 that people didn't see below her surface ( ... )

sarahk_1963 September 17 2013, 07:12:15 UTC

You go girl!!!

(I'd be pissed off too - hope that your brain did not explode).

samsom September 18 2013, 02:18:44 UTC

It didn't but it was close.

I was mad last night. Long, frustrating day = short fuse. I saw that and the fuse lit.

But I stand by it. :)

sarahk_1963 September 18 2013, 07:52:09 UTC

Don't let the buggers get you down, they simply are not worth it.

Stands by with fire extinguisher for any further fuses lit.

Hope that this reply finds you in a happy place and if not, Happy Wednesday from me!

damnskippytoo September 21 2013, 16:58:27 UTC

It doesn't surprise me. It happens on LJ all the time with AtS comms. I think part of it is just the newer fans started with S5 and probably have never bothered watching the rest of the show. And, yes, there are more Spike fans out there than any other character on Angel. But if I come across a comm that uses a S5 promo pic, I usually don't bother with it because I can see immediately that Cordy is not even on their radar so why bother.