Dear People who manage Angel (as an interest) on Facebook

[samsom]

If you're going to ask fans who their favorite character is, please use a promo pic that includes Cordelia fucking Chase. Using a s5 promo (probably because Spike was on it) pic is likely to cause some long time fans to regress and leave nasty, mean spirited comments instead of a straight-forward answer

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[makd]

Ya think they're a bit biased?

[samsom]

I think....I'm going to try to answer this with my big girl panties on instead of from the depths of my outraged fangirl soul...I think once they decided to take AtS in the direction they did at the end of the 4th season and the beginning of the 5th, they pretty much dropped everything that reminded the audience of that horrifying s4 crapfest storyline. In other words, Cordelia and Connor (and that oh-so-problematic actress that ruined Joss' shiny story). S5 was the new show, the new beginning, and they had this shining star in Spike, who was so popular with the fans - whether hated or loved, people talked about him. So I think that's probably why they used the s5 promo, Spike is in it, it was the season that was supposed to jump start AtS, yadda, yadda, yadda. But all I see is how it erases Cordelia - again - from the canvas. In a way Doyle wasn't. His legacy was the visions, and being the funny/tragic figure that tied Cordelia and Angel with their own history, separate from Sunnydale. Cordelia had NO legacy in s5. She was

[makd]

I don't do FB, but whoa. Much as I love(d) Angel - Cordelia was an important part of the show - and they absolutely fucked up her role - and we know why: she got pregnant. Asshats. absolute asshats (and Joss: I'm lookin' straight at you. feminist...yeah right.

/rant over.

[red_satin_doll]

and we know why: she got pregnant.

And here's the real irony: Fandom talks a lot about Joss' Bad Dads but less often talk about his Dead Moms. Every literal or metaphorical "mother figure" on Btvs or AtS that I'm aware of ends up dead by the end of the series except for Drusilla who is already undead anyway, and Buffy, who dies twice (3 times if you count Villains). Joyce, Darla, Tara - whose own mother is already dead - Maggie Walsh.

I don't count the ones who appear only one episode and don't really matter (Sheila Rosenberg and Mrs Harris.)

With the Slayers, I can generously make a symbolic connection between them and the historical fact that childbirth was once the #1 killer of women in the West. But every single mom on both shows?

I recently read that Joss' mother died when he was young and his father sent him away to school. Which explains a hell of a lot - including an inability to see past his own history, apparently. (And people slam the hell out of Marti Noxon for drawing on her own life experiences.)

Joss: I'm

[makd]

truly.

My life experiences have been that men who call themselves feminists are The Worst Offenders.

[red_satin_doll]

Which is true of anybody I've ever known who claims "I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic/prejudiced, etc"

[samsom]

Pretty much agreeing with everything. Try not to be TOO surprised. :P

Oh, except the FB thing. I wished I didn't do it, but I'm stuck now.