After OMGing myself back to sleep this morning (I'm really not sure how that works), I've come to think that JH probably did go to the future as that's the only way for Cameron's chip to be truly inaccessible for Kaliba. Not sure what he means to do in the future though or whether he expects Weaver to "rescue" him...
If John Henry just wanted to make sure Cameron's chip was inaccessible, he could've smashed it. Or maybe sent her through time alone. I think it's debatable whether her body could've gone through time if she was still "alive" with her chip in. We have precedence for it, though. In the pilot, Cromartie's head went through time with exposed metal. Even if we believe it was still covered in flesh at the moment it went through, metal would've been exposed at the based of the head.
Anyway, if Kaliba is the start of Skynet, it would be much more powerful in 18 years or whatever than it is now. So it doesn't make any sense to go try to stop it then. Also, I think one of John Henry's motivations is that he knew Kaliba was after Savannah. Jumping ahead give shim no chance of protecting her when she's a target in 2009.
Like someone else said, I just feel that whatever's going on, Weaver, Cameron, and JH are all in on it. It's just a gut feeling, but I just can't see weaver going off into the future unless she was really going to join John Henry. John Henry wants to protect/save Savannah, but as Weaver said, her survival depends on his, and Kaliba was totally gunning for him in 2009. It just seems like Cameron made a deal with Weaver/JH.
My brain always gives me the image of the "I'm sorry John" screen switching over to just "John?" right after he travels to the future. I find it highly amusing :p
But yes, I assume the other AI wanted the chip, thus using Derek as bait.
With all those harddrives maintaining John Henry, how on earth would all that fit onto Cameron's chip with Cameron herself as well, without compromising the data? I mean, one flipping wire changes being different results ina slighly different John Henry. So one of my theories is that Cameron jumped ship, and is now taking ovar teh internetz! sitting on the harddrives.
But then again, split-personality robot has its hilarious advantages. Especially when CamHenry runs into John in the future. Yay awkwardness \o/
With all those harddrives maintaining John Henry, how on earth would all that fit onto Cameron's chip with Cameron herself as well, without compromising the data?
I think all that computer equipment in John Henry's room is all processors. The Turk is the basis of it all (the computer with the awesome operating system and AI program), but without the extra processing power, the John Henry couldn't develop to such an advanced level.
split-personality robot has its hilarious advantages.
True and if JH/Cam did jump to the future, I'd be looking very forward to John meeting up with him :P
But Kaliba already HAS terminators (being sent back?)tackdriver56April 8 2010, 12:32:11 UTC
This is a chess game.
Cameron is a high-value piece; an asset to John Connor, Sarah Connor, and, as it turns out, to John Henry.
Kaliba apparently is an adversary to Weaver and John Henry. John Henry is more vulnerable, pinned to a server farm, less so if Cameron's chip grants him mobility.
Since Kaliba is already sending infiltrators back, and needs a chip, the smuggling logistics are trivial.
It's more important to deny Team Connor and the "third faction" access to Cameron's chip.
Re: But Kaliba already HAS terminators (being sent back?)roxybisquaintApril 8 2010, 18:54:40 UTC
This is a chess game.
Yes and no. We've got the game of Go in the mix too. The rules have changed to some extent.
Cameron is a high-value piece; an asset to John Connor, Sarah Connor, and, as it turns out, to John Henry.
So is the queen in chess, but the Japanese won their chess match against Andy's Turk by pulling a Byrne-Fischer and sacrificing it.
Kaliba apparently is an adversary to Weaver and John Henry.
Where are you getting that from? Kaliba was trying to destroy Weaver and John Henry, not to mention kill Savannah.
Since Kaliba is already sending infiltrators back, and needs a chip, the smuggling logistics are trivial.True and Skynet could've just made a chip for that purpose that wouldn't self-destruct when it got exposed to air. So why the Kaliba AI would need/want Cameron's chip specifically is unknown. That's why I defaulted to Cameron's chip being special - the most powerful neural net processor on earth (according to present-day John, anyway and he really has no way of knowing that
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Re: But Kaliba already HAS terminators (being sent back?)bobmacpharsonApril 8 2010, 18:59:37 UTC
I don't think "most powerful computer on earth" meant anything other than it was exponentially more powerful than whatever firewall the traffic-light-program had.
I think there may be some "specialness" to Cameron but I don't think it's something known to the rest of Skynet. I think it's far more likely that she merely had information (either about the Connors in the present day or from the Future War) that was important.
Re: But Kaliba already HAS terminators (being sent back?)roxybisquaintApril 9 2010, 01:01:42 UTC
I don't think it's something known to the rest of Skynet
How could Skynet not know? It created her and her chip. Maybe it didn't know the extent of how well that type of chip would ultimately function, though. Is that what you meant?
I like the first part of the theory. It definitely makes sense for them to be trying to get Cameron's chip intact, but I don't see why that has to have anything to do with Kaliba building "itself" a body. It would work just as well if it just needed information or another robot soldier.
The question that John Henry and Cameron staying in the past begs is... why did John go to the future then? It makes sense to me for Cameron to go to the future to test/teach John in isolation for a while. (And forcing him to choose Cameron-in-Cromartie over Allison is a fairly meaningful lesson, which is what Dekker implied was going to be the case). It *might* make sense for Weaver to do the something similar. I'm assuming that whatever's going on, Weaver, Henry and Cameron are all in on it.
We know Kaliba built at least one drone, but the coltan was referred to by Sarah as "endoskeleton metal". She never even saw any at Desert Heat & Air so I think that line was for our benefit.
So we've got Kaliba with the right kind of metal and the endo schematics. To me, that adds up to wanting to build an endo. Why did Weaver need a body for John Henry? We don't know the game plan, but if she wanted her Ai to have a body, I think it makes sense that the opposing force wanted it's AI to have a body too. But a body without the ability to untether and go mobile is kind of pointless.
I assume Weaver and JH are the good guys of the two AI teams and Kaliba is the bad guys. I think Weaver and John Henry basically asking for Cameron's chip while Kaliba tried to take it by force sort of reinforce that. the opposing sides mirroring each other actions in a race to the finish (whatever that is).
The question that John Henry and Cameron staying in the past begs is... why did John go to the future then? It makes sense to me for Cameron to
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Aiiiiiiiii ain't got no bodddddddddy...tackdriver56April 9 2010, 12:16:42 UTC
"... if she wanted her Ai to have a body, I think it makes sense that the opposing force wanted it's AI to have a body too."
There are different philosophies at work here. John Henry was vulnerable because he was tethered to and encapsulated within a server farm.
I understand the Kaliba AI to be a more distributed intelligence, exploiting the redundancy of the Internet to make itself harder to kill.
John Henry can be killed by someone who knows how to find him, unless he can escape.
The Kaliba AI is vulnerable when it launches its nuclear attack, so maybe it wants a Terminator (with chip) as a self-portable backup, a way to go hide in a bomb shelter to escape the EMP.
"Cameron (and Sarah don't) need to have time jumped to be there." True. So there's more story to tell! YayZ!
Re: Aiiiiiiiii ain't got no bodddddddddy...roxybisquaintApril 10 2010, 06:41:42 UTC
I understand the Kaliba AI to be a more distributed intelligence, exploiting the redundancy of the Internet to make itself harder to kill.
Hmm. I got the impression that was just the worm that was running through the internet, not the AI itself.
John Henry can be killed by someone who knows how to find him, unless he can escape.
And if John Henry does escape by untethering, he'd have the advantage. The only way the brother AI could find him (or battle him?) is if he was also in a body that was untethered.
The Kaliba AI is vulnerable when it launches its nuclear attack, so maybe it wants a Terminator (with chip) as a self-portable backup, a way to go hide in a bomb shelter to escape the EMP.
Could be. The AI could be protected by heading on over to Depot 37 and hanging out with Carter ;)
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Anyway, if Kaliba is the start of Skynet, it would be much more powerful in 18 years or whatever than it is now. So it doesn't make any sense to go try to stop it then. Also, I think one of John Henry's motivations is that he knew Kaliba was after Savannah. Jumping ahead give shim no chance of protecting her when she's a target in 2009.
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But yes, I assume the other AI wanted the chip, thus using Derek as bait.
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But then again, split-personality robot has its hilarious advantages. Especially when CamHenry runs into John in the future. Yay awkwardness \o/
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I think all that computer equipment in John Henry's room is all processors. The Turk is the basis of it all (the computer with the awesome operating system and AI program), but without the extra processing power, the John Henry couldn't develop to such an advanced level.
split-personality robot has its hilarious advantages.
True and if JH/Cam did jump to the future, I'd be looking very forward to John meeting up with him :P
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Cameron is a high-value piece; an asset to John Connor, Sarah Connor, and, as it turns out, to John Henry.
Kaliba apparently is an adversary to Weaver and John Henry. John Henry is more vulnerable, pinned to a server farm, less so if Cameron's chip grants him mobility.
Since Kaliba is already sending infiltrators back, and needs a chip, the smuggling logistics are trivial.
It's more important to deny Team Connor and the "third faction" access to Cameron's chip.
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Yes and no. We've got the game of Go in the mix too. The rules have changed to some extent.
Cameron is a high-value piece; an asset to John Connor, Sarah Connor, and, as it turns out, to John Henry.
So is the queen in chess, but the Japanese won their chess match against Andy's Turk by pulling a Byrne-Fischer and sacrificing it.
Kaliba apparently is an adversary to Weaver and John Henry.
Where are you getting that from? Kaliba was trying to destroy Weaver and John Henry, not to mention kill Savannah.
Since Kaliba is already sending infiltrators back, and needs a chip, the smuggling logistics are trivial.True and Skynet could've just made a chip for that purpose that wouldn't self-destruct when it got exposed to air. So why the Kaliba AI would need/want Cameron's chip specifically is unknown. That's why I defaulted to Cameron's chip being special - the most powerful neural net processor on earth (according to present-day John, anyway and he really has no way of knowing that ( ... )
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I think there may be some "specialness" to Cameron but I don't think it's something known to the rest of Skynet. I think it's far more likely that she merely had information (either about the Connors in the present day or from the Future War) that was important.
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How could Skynet not know? It created her and her chip. Maybe it didn't know the extent of how well that type of chip would ultimately function, though. Is that what you meant?
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I'm tethered to this pretty box with the retconned 3 lights.
BWAH!
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The question that John Henry and Cameron staying in the past begs is... why did John go to the future then? It makes sense to me for Cameron to go to the future to test/teach John in isolation for a while. (And forcing him to choose Cameron-in-Cromartie over Allison is a fairly meaningful lesson, which is what Dekker implied was going to be the case). It *might* make sense for Weaver to do the something similar. I'm assuming that whatever's going on, Weaver, Henry and Cameron are all in on it.
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So we've got Kaliba with the right kind of metal and the endo schematics. To me, that adds up to wanting to build an endo. Why did Weaver need a body for John Henry? We don't know the game plan, but if she wanted her Ai to have a body, I think it makes sense that the opposing force wanted it's AI to have a body too. But a body without the ability to untether and go mobile is kind of pointless.
I assume Weaver and JH are the good guys of the two AI teams and Kaliba is the bad guys. I think Weaver and John Henry basically asking for Cameron's chip while Kaliba tried to take it by force sort of reinforce that. the opposing sides mirroring each other actions in a race to the finish (whatever that is).
The question that John Henry and Cameron staying in the past begs is... why did John go to the future then? It makes sense to me for Cameron to ( ... )
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There are different philosophies at work here.
John Henry was vulnerable because he was tethered to and encapsulated within a server farm.
I understand the Kaliba AI to be a more distributed intelligence, exploiting the redundancy of the Internet to make itself harder to kill.
John Henry can be killed by someone who knows how to find him, unless he can escape.
The Kaliba AI is vulnerable when it launches its nuclear attack, so maybe it wants a Terminator (with chip) as a self-portable backup, a way to go hide in a bomb shelter to escape the EMP.
"Cameron (and Sarah don't) need to have time jumped to be there."
True. So there's more story to tell! YayZ!
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Hmm. I got the impression that was just the worm that was running through the internet, not the AI itself.
John Henry can be killed by someone who knows how to find him, unless he can escape.
And if John Henry does escape by untethering, he'd have the advantage. The only way the brother AI could find him (or battle him?) is if he was also in a body that was untethered.
The Kaliba AI is vulnerable when it launches its nuclear attack, so maybe it wants a Terminator (with chip) as a self-portable backup, a way to go hide in a bomb shelter to escape the EMP.
Could be. The AI could be protected by heading on over to Depot 37 and hanging out with Carter ;)
True. So there's more story to tell! YayZ!
So much more! And I want it!!!!!
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