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[roga]

OMG, this is what American Idol RPF fandom has done to me: I now want to slash contestants of Kochav Nolad together. I FEEL SO VERY, VERY WRONG. ONE OF THESE GUYS IS A FRIEND OF MINE'S COUSIN. Seriously, it makes me feel dirty :-(

however, if any of you want to discuss these hypothetical pairings with me -- or even just the similarities between AI

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[ladycat777]

How else can you say them?

There's a slight emphasis on the l in stalk, and the vowel is inflected differently. It's more similar to the a in straw - you sort of drag the word out for an extra heartbeat, too. Stock is short, hard guttural - the jaw drops straight, the word is on the front of your tongue. Stalk is as close as you can get to two syllables with it still being actually one syllable, and it's more on the middle of the tongue, more of an oval shape.

Granted, you say is fast enough and there's no real difference.

I wish I knew the proper terminology for this.

[roga]

LOL, I've just tried saying them both aloud and I don't think I quite get it, but I recorded myself trying and am adding it to the post.

Vowels are one thing that's easier in Hebrew than English -- there's only one way to pronounce each vowel, only 6 different sounds overall, E I A O U and neutral. I think it's why Israeli-accented English sounds so robotic.

[ladycat777]

Vowels are one thing that's easier in Hebrew than English -- there's only one way to pronounce each vowel,

Depends on the country, though. The way someone of Polish decent speaks Hebrew isn't the way an Israeli speaks it, even when you're talking trope which shouldn't have any differences at all.

But yeah, there's a lot less dialect variation in Hebrew as compared to most of the other Western languages. Probably because of it's different base.

I think it's why Israeli-accented English sounds so robotic.

Robotic? really? Huh. I'm not sure I'd call them that! Then again, most of the Israelis I've ever met tend to be loud and boisterous types, so there's too much enthusiasm going on to think they sound robotic :)

[roga]

You're right about the Hebrew -- I should have specified I was referring to Israeli Hebrew (spoken by Israel-born people for whom Hebrew is a mother tongue, to be even more specific.)

And you may have a point about the loudness -- which, I see you left out obnoxious and rude, which was polite of you :-)

[fluffernutter8]

I've got the most whacked accent ever (I've been told that it's a mix of Montreal (my dad's from there), New York (I was born there and my mom grew up there) and Tennessee (never been, not really close to anyone from there) so don't judge on this, but I say "stock" and "stawk". I might be the only person in the world who does that, though.

[roga]

Hee, I love that you have Tennessee in there too. I can imagine stalk and stock said differently in other accents, like in British as pointed out by nomadicwriter below -- just not in any American accents that I know of. Except, I guess, yours? :-)

[a2zmom]

Stawk is how all proper NYC people say it. It's certainly how I say it. (What is this rhyming with stock nonsense? Seriously!)

[roga]

LOL, okay, in that case I'll have my dad say them both aloud to me, and see if I recognize the difference.

[mardia]

I've lived in the US my entire life, and I have no idea how you would pronounce 'stock' and 'stalk' differently. Really, no idea.

[roga]

Yeah, I'm still not sure. I guess you aren't 'neutral' either :-)

[mardia]

Actually, I just took that test, and apparently I am neutral, so I don't know what gives. Maybe I'm neutral in everything except for when I say stock/stalk?

[roga]

Perhaps!

Okay, seriously, this is hilarious, I keep trying to pronounce stock in a way that'll make it different from stalk and it just won't work. And then stock kind of turns into Spock without me noticing, if I say it enough times.

[nomadicwriter]

And yeah, I say 'stock' and 'stalk' the same. (How else can you say them?)

In a British accent, first one rhymes with "rock", second one rhymes (almost) with "stork". "Stock" has a very short o (like in, say, Harry Potter) while "stalk" has a longer drawn-out "aw" sound.

[roga]

Yeah, I can imagine that in British. And now I'm trying to imagine their pronunciation in a Life on Mars Manchester accent, and then in a Liverpool accent, but those are just too confusing for me to follow the rules of.