Actually it's funny because even though I don't watch Supernatural, as you know, the OTP and I were talking about this at the weekend and she was telling about his misogynistic ways. I think we more or less came to the conclusion that unfortunately at the end of it, the target audience is 16 - 25 year old males who go through a phase of speaking like that before they realise there's no need for it (or hopefully they do!), so the writer is kind of speaking from and to their perspective, if that makes sense.
If writers keep catering to a target audience of 16-25 year old males by giving them sexist male leads as if that's the normal way to behave, then the chances they'll every realize there's no need for it will become ever slimmer.
I don't think this particular writer is doing that though. I think he's presenting the increasingly misogynous behaviour as something that's bad. As one of the many things that are flawed in Dean, and has started to present itself in Sam too.
I'd say television needs more female writers (even if there are plenty female writers I don't trust to write a female character I can relate to). I know a couple of writers I'd like to move for candidate; my fandoms have some gems to offer.
I'd say television needs more female writers (even if there are plenty female writers I don't trust to write a female character I can relate to). I know a couple of writers I'd like to move for candidate; my fandoms have some gems to offer.
You're right there, but I honestly think that the networks are stuck back in the time when it was males who paid for the TV and watched TV and so on and don't realise that in fact there is a huge market now of females who want to see something they can relate to. Until they wake up to that fact then it'll never improve. Women will keep getting stuff like Desperate Housewives instead of something worth watching.
Until they wake up to that fact then it'll never improve.
That's why I should be happy about women being critical of their favorite series and wanting to tell the networks about what makes them angry and/or frustrated. Wake up calls are desperately needed. I don't agree with part of what's being said about misogyny on the show, but with another part I do.
In other news; have you ever tried Gilmore Girls? Filled with female leads I can relate to! So refreshing :D
I agree with all of these points. It's not okay to talk like that but sometimes characters and people do talk like that. I haven't seen the show myself but I really hope the writers know what they doing. That you think so makes me feel a bit better.
Having male characters act like that on TV can be very depressing, but I was still kind of interested in the possibility of seeing the argument you mentioned in your previous post on FandomWank -- because that argument wasn't about whether they were being sexist.
Thank you for this. And thank you for reaching out to me when I was upset yesterday; I can't even put into words how much that touched me, how much that helped.
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I don't think this particular writer is doing that though. I think he's presenting the increasingly misogynous behaviour as something that's bad. As one of the many things that are flawed in Dean, and has started to present itself in Sam too.
I'd say television needs more female writers (even if there are plenty female writers I don't trust to write a female character I can relate to). I know a couple of writers I'd like to move for candidate; my fandoms have some gems to offer.
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You're right there, but I honestly think that the networks are stuck back in the time when it was males who paid for the TV and watched TV and so on and don't realise that in fact there is a huge market now of females who want to see something they can relate to. Until they wake up to that fact then it'll never improve. Women will keep getting stuff like Desperate Housewives instead of something worth watching.
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That's why I should be happy about women being critical of their favorite series and wanting to tell the networks about what makes them angry and/or frustrated. Wake up calls are desperately needed. I don't agree with part of what's being said about misogyny on the show, but with another part I do.
In other news; have you ever tried Gilmore Girls? Filled with female leads I can relate to! So refreshing :D
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...as is talking respectfully about other people's opinions & feelings. I kind of screwed up there for a bit earlier *sheepish*
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Having male characters act like that on TV can be very depressing, but I was still kind of interested in the possibility of seeing the argument you mentioned in your previous post on FandomWank -- because that argument wasn't about whether they were being sexist.
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*hugs you warmly*
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