And that Master dude went through even more... That mean he got any better after taking over that planet?
No. Probably got a damned sight worse.
How the hell do you think his little declaration's gone over to the rest of the inmates? Ooh, one of us can commit murder and not get get punished! Green lights all the way!
I don't care if whoever these people were went and asked for it. You're as gulity as he is, 'cause you fucking went and let it happen.
No, I didn't shove this problem into anyone's lap. This is no one's problem. All that happened was Sylar announcing the assisted suicides he's taken part in, so if it bothers you, then maybe you should look the other way until there's a real reason not to.
Assisted suicides?! Bullshit! Even trying to call it that proves how implicated in this you are!
It's like Paddy said - you're making it a problem for everyone else! You're excusing him because you don't think your poor, fragile little inmate can handle withdrawal symptoms FROM KILLING PEOPLE! These ain't mercy killings - they're him doing it to get 'more powers'! That's selfish, not helpful!
All of this? Your fault.
You as good as killed those folks by your own hand - and you know it.
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I have to agree. This is insane.
Of course he thinks he needs his abilities, he's an addict. Believing you need something you don't is practically the definition of addiction. Alcoholics think they need to drink, drug addicts think they need drugs - and by keeping him supplied, all you're doing is reinforcing that belief. There is no circumstance under which an addict in treatment would be drip-fed their poison unless it was causing them serious physical harm not to be.
I know that individual methods are at a Warden's discretion, but just please take this as advice: either you have made a bad decision, or you have been manipulated into making one. This will never work, and frankly I don't know how you believe it could work.
If he's ever going to overcome this, what he needs is to deal with the issues that have prompted the addiction, not the thing itself. You need to take away the abilities he has and the capacity to gain new ones before you can even touch what's going on underneath.
Re: Pre-filtered postpeektuttutJuly 3 2010, 17:38:49 UTC
Look, I appreciate that you're trying to help, but you're wrong.
That's how I started when we were first paired off, and it was the last tack I should've taken with him. I won't do it again, not unless I have no other choice, and right now, I've got a lot of choices. This isn't like a drug addiction, it's part of him. And if I can convince him to go about it a different way - without killing - then we've made progress.
I'm not taking away everything he cares about just to make everyone else here a little more comfortable. He hasn't done anything that hasn't been agreed to by everyone involved.
If that's your intent then this is a terrible first step to take. Why not allow him to take and keep abilities, with permission from the person whose abilities they are, but punish him for killing people? How is that not infinitely simpler?
As for making everyone else more comfortable, you can't avoid the fact that this is a community and what you and your Inmate do have knock-on effects. Please, just take a step back from the situation and re-examine it. You are sanctioning murder. This is mad.
Pre-filtered postpeektuttutJuly 3 2010, 17:52:04 UTC
I don't think you understand how it works. He can't take abilities without killing yet. That's what I'm trying to work on with him right now. He does have permission to take those abilities, and the people who give their permission are fully aware of what that means. Except for one case, because of a flood - and I've made sure that won't happen again. Nothing about this is simple.
I'm not sanctioning murder. [He kinda is, and thus, defensive!] We all know that what works for one inmate isn't going to work for another.
Pre-filtered post - SORRY ERIChopeless_hackerJuly 3 2010, 17:56:46 UTC
You're 'trying to work on it' - how? While you're still letting him kill people and get off scott-free, where is his motivation to do it any other way? If his most recent post is to be believed, he enjoys the killing as much as he enjoys the abilities - that habit is never going to be kicked unless you force him to.
Pre-filtered post - OUR BAD :cpeektuttutJuly 3 2010, 18:03:49 UTC
I'm pretty sure that post was made because I was pulled off barge and he's pissed that I left. He's smart, he knew that would have other wardens coming down on me.
I need his trust before I can do anything. I think he cares what I think of him - and that can be serious motivation. I'm letting him kill people who agree to be killed, that isn't a black/white situation, and it's been working. He hasn't hurt anyone else since we made this deal. That's progress.
You realise the second that he decides that 'gave permission' and 'asking for it' are the same thing and attacks someone not covered by this perverse arrangement, everyone is going to be after you more than they're going to be after him.
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No. Probably got a damned sight worse.
How the hell do you think his little declaration's gone over to the rest of the inmates? Ooh, one of us can commit murder and not get get punished! Green lights all the way!
I don't care if whoever these people were went and asked for it. You're as gulity as he is, 'cause you fucking went and let it happen.
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Then pay attention to your inmates and make sure it doesn't escalate. It can't if we all do our jobs.
[NOPE. NOT ADDRESSING THAT LAST PART.]
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It's like Paddy said - you're making it a problem for everyone else! You're excusing him because you don't think your poor, fragile little inmate can handle withdrawal symptoms FROM KILLING PEOPLE! These ain't mercy killings - they're him doing it to get 'more powers'! That's selfish, not helpful!
All of this? Your fault.
You as good as killed those folks by your own hand - and you know it.
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We're done here.
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Consequences, pal... Look it up.
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Of course he thinks he needs his abilities, he's an addict. Believing you need something you don't is practically the definition of addiction. Alcoholics think they need to drink, drug addicts think they need drugs - and by keeping him supplied, all you're doing is reinforcing that belief. There is no circumstance under which an addict in treatment would be drip-fed their poison unless it was causing them serious physical harm not to be.
I know that individual methods are at a Warden's discretion, but just please take this as advice: either you have made a bad decision, or you have been manipulated into making one. This will never work, and frankly I don't know how you believe it could work.
If he's ever going to overcome this, what he needs is to deal with the issues that have prompted the addiction, not the thing itself. You need to take away the abilities he has and the capacity to gain new ones before you can even touch what's going on underneath.
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That's how I started when we were first paired off, and it was the last tack I should've taken with him. I won't do it again, not unless I have no other choice, and right now, I've got a lot of choices. This isn't like a drug addiction, it's part of him. And if I can convince him to go about it a different way - without killing - then we've made progress.
I'm not taking away everything he cares about just to make everyone else here a little more comfortable. He hasn't done anything that hasn't been agreed to by everyone involved.
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As for making everyone else more comfortable, you can't avoid the fact that this is a community and what you and your Inmate do have knock-on effects. Please, just take a step back from the situation and re-examine it. You are sanctioning murder. This is mad.
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I'm not sanctioning murder. [He kinda is, and thus, defensive!] We all know that what works for one inmate isn't going to work for another.
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I need his trust before I can do anything. I think he cares what I think of him - and that can be serious motivation. I'm letting him kill people who agree to be killed, that isn't a black/white situation, and it's been working. He hasn't hurt anyone else since we made this deal. That's progress.
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