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rattlesnakeroot January 8 2012, 19:32:10 UTC
Maybe because our opinion agrees with the resolution of the book! Snape was a redeemed character, not some 2-dimensional cartoon villain ( ... )

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rattlesnakeroot January 8 2012, 21:17:31 UTC
There you go making blanket statements you know nothing about. If there is no 2-dimensional Snape then there has to be something he is redeemed of or from. Admit that he had flaws and he did bad things. If he doesn't where does the redemption come from?

"Harry and Neville grew up and had productive lives, partly because Snape was willing to put himself on the line again and again for the sake of that generation."
This is ludicrous. Where does Snape put himself on the line? Yes, in name he is a spy for Dumbledore, but what does he do that really puts his life on the line and how does this help Harry and Neville? Does this make up for the way he treats them in class? Does this give him a free pass for him to be a bully? Should Harry, Neville, and Hermione have to put up with this? Should anyone?

The excuses Snape fans come up with is the hilarious part. You bend over backwards to make everything he does sound good. You basically do the impossible.

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rattlesnakeroot January 9 2012, 01:40:25 UTC

You contradict yourself. Snape's redemption had nothing to do with his classroom demeanor. It had to do with his remorse over the deaths of the Potters, for which he atoned.

You are the one who is confused. Snape's redemption happened years before Harry came to Hogwarts, yet you try to prove over and over that his teaching methods somehow "unredeemed" him.

You are mixing up the biggest mistake of Snape's life with petty classroom banter and situations that all children endure with teachers they dislike.

Harry forgave him, you know. Read the Epilogue. Harry didn't play these petty little games, thank God. That's why the book is so good.

And Neville became a teacher! And Hermione had a career in the Ministry! These are people who stood up to Voldemort. Was Snape really their worst problem? Come on, please . . .

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rattlesnakeroot January 9 2012, 02:00:12 UTC
I contradict myself? Look in the mirror ( ... )

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rattlesnakeroot January 8 2012, 21:19:42 UTC
I don't recall ever having ONE teacher like Snape. Those teachers don't last in the classroom. It is hard to get a teacher fired, but a teacher like that would get fired in a heartbeat.

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wobblerlorri January 9 2012, 04:21:15 UTC
I've had several teachers worse than Snape. They had tenure, too, so they were able to viciously bully victims in each class for years.

Remember a bully doesn't pick on everyone, just the ones they perceive as weak or don't like. So if you don't recall having a single Snapish teacher, then you were never seen as weak or you weren't disliked.

In other words, you just sort of faded into the vast herd of names. You didn't stand out one way or the other.

How sad for you.

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rattlesnakeroot January 9 2012, 05:55:08 UTC
So, you only get bullied by child abusers if you are somehow special? Nah, I don't think so. Bullies bully because they think they can get away with it. The Marauders are a case in point, they bullied till Lily called them on it, then they got a good hard look at what they were doing and grew up. Snape's problem is he never grew up. He remained a childish and vindictive man at least till he had no Dumbledore at his back. He may have matured then, we don't really know. And having tenure doesn't stop private litagations.

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rattlesnakeroot January 9 2012, 18:32:50 UTC
The worst teacher I had had tenure, but they were able to take her out of the classroom. She became an administrative assistant.

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