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klutzy_girl March 9 2012, 14:30:19 UTC
I'm 95% sure it was Crowley.

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jennytork March 9 2012, 14:33:48 UTC
I don't think they ever came right out and said.

Sorry.

My personal headcanon is that it was Crowley, and for reasons that you stated.

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mymuseandi March 9 2012, 14:34:32 UTC
As far as I can understand from the show, it was Crowley who brought him back, because there was a time when Grandpa Samuel was talking about how he was helping Crowley and he was promised Mary as incentive.

But since Crowley was essentially working under Cas, so maybe he was brought back as a specialist, of sorts, to track down the Alphas? Since the Campbell family is well known for hunting right? But that also raises the question of why he didn't raise any Winchester family because they are also well known in the hunting circles?

Am I confusing you more with this?

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liliaeth March 9 2012, 16:31:29 UTC
Well before John, the Winchesters weren't hunters. And Crowley would know better than to try and get John to work for him.

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samantha890 March 10 2012, 00:31:54 UTC
And Crowley would know better than to try and get John to work for him.

*giggles madly* I would have loved to see him try. :D

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de_nugis March 9 2012, 14:39:26 UTC
There's a scene in one of the missing year flashbacks in 6.20 where Cas is talking to Crowley and refuses to have Dean involved in the whole search for purgatory thing, so Crowley says that there's a bald-headed patriarch he can take off the bench. So I think it was, indeed, Crowley, with Cas's knowledge but not an idea that originated with Cas.

The problem is that that suggests that Samuel was in hell, in Crowley's domain, rather than heaven, as Samuel said. You can fanwank it that Samuel was lying to Sam and Dean to conceal his bargain with Crowley, but the Campbell plot is full of loose ends.

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ratherastory March 9 2012, 14:42:37 UTC
I don't think Samuel was in Hell. For one, with his soul and memories intact, that would suggest he should be waaaay more traumatized than he is, since he would have been in Hell since, oh, 1972. That's 4,800 years of torture, give or take. Heck, he wouldn't be human anymore.

That being said, there is precedent for a deal getting someone out of Heaven (Sam), and Crowley insinuates he can get Mary back and she's definitely not in Hell.

Bah. Stupid Campbell plotline. Why so full of holes? *shakes fist*

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de_nugis March 9 2012, 14:46:36 UTC
True. There's not exactly anyone for Crowley to be making a deal with, but having come at the job of King of Hell via head crossroads demon, he could probably just override the paperwork and get at Samuel. And maybe the fact that the whole family -- Samuel and Mary as well as Sam and Dean -- had been pieces on the angels and demons playing board meant that they were particularly accessible. That could be why Crowley thought of Samuel as someone he had on his bench, rather than bringing back, say, Colt, or some other random legendary hunter of the past.

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de_nugis March 9 2012, 14:52:43 UTC
Here's the relevant bit of transcript, FWIW:

CROWLEY We'll need expert help.
CASTIEL From whom?
CROWLEY From experts, of course. I know of two eerily suited 'Teen Beat' models with time on their hands.
CASTIEL No. Not Dean. He's retired, and he's to stay that way.
CROWLEY Fine. Then I know of a certain big, bald patriarch I can take off the bench. The point is...They can get us to the monsters. The monsters can get us to Purgatory. I know it.

Which I think definitively rules out Cas being the one who brought Samuel bag, but I misremembered Crowley's words -- he just said he knows of Samuel and can take him off the bench, not that he HAD Samuel. That fits with Samuel being in heaven but Crowley being able to get him, I think.

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cappy712 March 9 2012, 14:42:34 UTC
I don't remember the show explaining the person who brough Grandpa back - I do believe that Crowley took the credit in order to have leverage over Grandpa in the form of Mary.

If you notice, when the cousins and grandpa were introduced in Exile on Main Street (Mark, Christian, Gwen the Gramps) that is the order in which they died as well.

When Castiel confessed that He was the one who brought Sam back, it was to show that he cared but it came out in a way that made it seem like he took him out of the cage without his soul, I believe that was a mistake on Castiel's part. As far as we know Samuel was in heaven so it wasn't too hard for Castiel to find Samuel in heaven and have him sent back. Crowley again taking the credit as leverage.

Hope that helps.

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ratherastory March 9 2012, 14:43:35 UTC
Yes, thank you!

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jennytork March 9 2012, 14:51:40 UTC
side note -- ever wonder if the 'something, something once removed' was a blooper on Jared's part that sounded so perfect they kept it in?

I'm of the mind it just might be....

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