In S10 they really have gone out of their way to make Spike acceptable as a boyfriend for Buffy -- much more than necessary if you ask me, but then I'm not part of the target group he needed to be made palatable for. The positive side of this is that I can't imagine them going to so such lengths just to have Spike and Buffy break up again soon (or at least not permanently).
About ITL, I found it enjoyable enough; it just shouldn't be taken too seriously. But I know this is not a majority opinion (not the first part, anyway).
I think the thing is, absolutely nothing will make Spike acceptable for certain fans, so there really wasn't the huge need to make him The Perfect Guy (except for a couple of 'flaws' we've made up on the spot). But I can see where the writers may have thought there was.
"let’s face it, the writers would never let Buffy have a successful long-term relationship with a more demony and dangerous Spike."
Well, yeah, it would make her look silly. Buffy's too old for that dangerous Spike, too old for the angst-ridden, tormented bad boy trope. That's why Spike stopped being one and became something more akin to Riley and Xander.
You want to eat the cake and have the cake. You want Spike to act like it's season 6 and you want Spike to have a mature, stable relationship with Buffy. Those are mutually exclusive. You oppose the "immortals don't change" idea yet you want Spike to not change. Pick one.
I've been on the fence about you, but you really are just trolling, aren't you? You start out with a false dichotomy, segue into a straw man argument, and then slide smoothly into an ad hominem attack.
In the unlikely event that you're not trolling... dude, where on earth did you get the idea that I'm lobbying for Spike to behave like he did in S6? I didn't say I thought Spike was acting like Riley to begin with; that was something the Anon I was replying to said. Even if I did think that, there is middle ground between S6 Spike and Riley Finn. Like, MILES of middle ground. Not to mention that the 'angst-ridden, tormented bad boy,' is closer to S7-and-later Spike, if it's any Spike at all, so I'm not sure where you're coming from with that.
If you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed that I'm fairly happy with the way Buffy and Spike have been handled this season. Is it perfect and exactly what I want to see? No, but nothing ever is. Such is life.
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About ITL, I found it enjoyable enough; it just shouldn't be taken too seriously. But I know this is not a majority opinion (not the first part, anyway).
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I think the thing is, absolutely nothing will make Spike acceptable for certain fans, so there really wasn't the huge need to make him The Perfect Guy (except for a couple of 'flaws' we've made up on the spot). But I can see where the writers may have thought there was.
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Well, yeah, it would make her look silly. Buffy's too old for that dangerous Spike, too old for the angst-ridden, tormented bad boy trope. That's why Spike stopped being one and became something more akin to Riley and Xander.
You want to eat the cake and have the cake. You want Spike to act like it's season 6 and you want Spike to have a mature, stable relationship with Buffy. Those are mutually exclusive. You oppose the "immortals don't change" idea yet you want Spike to not change. Pick one.
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In the unlikely event that you're not trolling... dude, where on earth did you get the idea that I'm lobbying for Spike to behave like he did in S6? I didn't say I thought Spike was acting like Riley to begin with; that was something the Anon I was replying to said. Even if I did think that, there is middle ground between S6 Spike and Riley Finn. Like, MILES of middle ground. Not to mention that the 'angst-ridden, tormented bad boy,' is closer to S7-and-later Spike, if it's any Spike at all, so I'm not sure where you're coming from with that.
If you'd been paying attention, you'd have noticed that I'm fairly happy with the way Buffy and Spike have been handled this season. Is it perfect and exactly what I want to see? No, but nothing ever is. Such is life.
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