The Scene I Hate the Most in the Whole Entire Show

[queerasfray]

I rewatched 5-11 last night and was reminded how much I hate the scene in which Brian visits Justin's studio and asks him to marry him. It feels so stilted and weird, and Justin seems almost emotionless. And I hate that he seems so nonchalant about the bombing even though it happened less than 24 hours ago. He seems to reject Brian with the same

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[celestlyn]

In this case, I would blame bad writing. Maybe bad acting, but with a script like that, it seem out of character for Justin. I actually found the whole love, marriage and happy ever after on the farm a little out of character for him. He's retained a bit of his sweetness over the years and perhaps a part of him does want the traditional thing, after all, he was raised with it. However, he took to Brian's life like a duck to water and his whole experience as a gay man was living like Brian. He saw his parents traditional marriage shatter and he saw the many issues with Lindsey and Mel. It always seemed unlikely to me that he would feel ready at his age to settle when he seemed quite happy with Brian. I suppose it might have been the fault of the explosion, still being a little in shock. But in that case, I would think one would have almost the opposite reaction. You would be traumatized at how close you came to losing your loved one and would grab on for dear life. I would have thought he would cling tighter to Brian like Brian did

[queerasfray]

I think I've managed to reach a place where I get the house-in-the-country bit. It's so typically Brian - grand all-or-nothing gestures. Once he makes a decision, he throws himself at it like it's a project to be accomplished and excelled at. Plus, like you say, Justin (at 22, for God's sake!) had turned into all "I want a wedding and a house and babies" all of a sudden. I can imagine Brian thinking something along the lines of "I want to be with Justin, and the only way he'll be with me is if I give him the wedding and the house and the babies." Justin's made the situation seem either/or. So I get Brian's over-the-top gesture and his sudden decision to "do anything & be anything" to get Justin back. That's in keeping with his character, I think. But like you say, Justin is almost incomprehensible to me. Maybe he went through a brief "I want to get married" stage from spending time with Michael & Ben. But even he has to see that he's way too young, right? That scene is so awful imo because Justin just seems to shrug off not

[celestlyn]

But I still say, bad writing, bad writing, bad writing. So much in that last arc seems to come out of left field. It just seems incomprehensible to me to go from 'we're a couple' to 'I love you, let's get married' to 'this isn't working' in just a few hours. The whole thing seems schizo. That's really why I just don't buy the ending the way they did it. If there had been some sort of drifting apart and moving on arc taking place with them, I could buy it, but the way they did it was ooc and made no sense. I've moved past the point where I have to have a nice happy ever after ending, but the ending they left us with was just rushed and incomplete. At least it was ambiguous enough to allow speculation.

[sungaizing85]

Meh, over half of season 4 and half of season 5 were like WTF to me

[queerasfray]

I guess Cowlip, writers, Randy and eventually Gale just kind of gave up? lol. Or so the wank of their collective gossip goes.

Which is SO frustrating! It makes me wish for what could've been if everyone had been able to play nice.

Randy is like what -- underplaying?

Yeah. Because even if the writing sucked (which it did), he was capable of breathing some life into it, but he just didn't bother, which meant Justin seemed so damn OoC. Maybe I need to rewrite that scene from inside an IC Justin's head . . . *ponders*

But then he leaves Brian cuz he wants to -- CUDDLE. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, not the Brian that spent each season petting him, nosing his cheek, kissing him in public, taking Emmett's hand off of his twinklet and yelling at his best friend for taking his boo away from him, the dude who plays with his hair and cuddles Justin's ass with his eyes alone. CUDDLING??!! WHAT IS THIS FUCKERY???!!

Gimme a break, Cowlip and just STAHP.Hahahahahaha! So funny - and true :) Maybe Brian is super cuddly in bed, but he's

[sungaizing85]

I feel about their 'childish ways' the same way I feel about clowns, lactation!kink fics and flossing twice a day...

[vlredreign]

What's wrong with clowns!? I have over a hundred of them!

[soulmatejunkee]

Well, let's be honest.. Season 5 was a bad hair-bad writing season all over!

There's barely anything or anyone I truly like in that Season. They practically all annoy me or are totally ooc and act so weird, that I don't understand them.

About the scene you mean... well... I don't see bad acting. Not even bad script. Actually, that's a scene I can see coming and see why it comes. Other than this huge house with stables and garden (for playing "who fucks the gardener first and harder?!)! As cute as it was and as much as I wanted to see a romance!Brian scene and as much as Justin deserves it... god, it was sooo wrong and so terribly overdone.

And NY... seriously, name me ONE single scene in which Justin tells anyone that he wants to live in NY! *rolleyes* And as soon as Brian says cuddle NY is his biggest dream? What happened, did B/J switch roles/characters?! Too much!

[queerasfray]

Perhaps things would've made more sense if things were more developed & explained better. That damn "sex-off" between Brian and Brandon got more time than Justin's supposed NY dreams. One minute Justin has (like Daphne said at the rehearsal dinner) everything he's always wanted & the next he basically is "jumping on a greyhound." That whole arc needed more than one episode. I kept getting whiplash!

[mander3_swish]

Justin seems almost emotionless. And I hate that he seems so nonchalant about the bombing even though it happened less than 24 hours ago. but like he said to Brian about what just happened to Michael, I think he (Justin) is in a state of shock, trying to remain calm, emotionless because perhaps all he wants to do is break down and sob on his bed, but instead he's trying to prove to himself and to them that they didn't get him (thus the painting)

I think it would be more out of character to accept the proposal just like that, or even propose an alternative straight away. during their S2 arrangement/rules, brian offering to loan justin tuition, and then 308 Justin had time to think first about what he wanted, mull it over, and have a decision at hand.

It feels so stilted and weird As it should. besides last night, they haven't really seen each other. Brian's uneasy and doesn't know how to act with Justin in this new situation; he's out of his depth, emotionally/relationship-wise, realizing he was this close to losing Justin -again

[queerasfray]

I could believe the state of shock interpretation because we see it with Ted and Emmett and Debbie when she sees the bag in the diner. But I just don't see that in Justin. I really wish I did. Randy is capable of portraying multiple layers of emotion, but I just couldn't get a read on him - Justin almost seemed completely unfazed.

I think it would be more out of character to accept the proposal just like that

Oh, I totally agree! It would've been way too rushed and weird if all of sudden Justin, despite knowing Brian "all too well" was all "YES!" It wasn't that he turned Brian down that bothers me, it's the way he did it - it almost feels like a shrug, or like "You used to be my whole world, but I've gotten over you (or at least partially over you.") Maybe the main problem is just how damn short the whole arc is. There really needed to be an episode 14. *weeps for missing episode*

Brian's uneasy and doesn't know how to act with Justin in this new situation; he's out of his depth*nods*, yes, this makes complete sense . . .

[kaatiya]

I thought Ben teaching his class right after the bombing was even more bizarre than Justin's reaction to the bombing

[taradiane]

*inserts 'maybe because justin is a whiny little bitch' comment here, which fray will scoff at and roll her eyes because she's used to tara hating on justin at every opportunity*

:D

[queerasfray]

At least you're not hating on Brian. We'd have to end our association - I can't relate to people who don't fall in love with him as hopelessly as I have. Justin-hating I can see, but Brian-hating is just downright unnatural :D