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maranta November 29 2008, 20:40:39 UTC
Thanks for posting this stuff. Interesting.

I am in favor of making workplaces friendly to people who have kids, but the news from Japan does make me wonder how people who can't have kids (or have older kids) will be treated...might they end up having to be under a lot of pressure to make up for the shorter shifts of the parents of youngsters?

>> Although purely elective abortions are not technically legal under Spanish law, the vast majority (97%) were undertaken due to a purported psychological or physical risk to the mother.
Undercover investigations by Spanish media in late 2007 showed that abortion clinics in Spain maintain financial ties with psychologists who automatically issue assessments to abortion clinic customers stating that the woman is psychologically at risk from her pregnancy... )

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pammalamma November 30 2008, 00:00:09 UTC
"Yes, this is exactly why pro-life groups in America oppose "health exceptions" in abortion legislation."

Yes, many abortion proponents don't seem to understand our reticence. I don't think that "she might get a hemorrhoid" is a good reason to abort. :oP Pregnancy is going to entail some changes in the body, which could nearly always be considered as a decrease in "health."

I've noticed that many European nations have been decreasing in population, but I wasn't aware that it was happening in Japan.

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lavendersparkle November 30 2008, 10:58:13 UTC
I don't like it when anti-abortion articles link opposition to abortion to concern about population shrinkage. I oppose abortion because it's killing. I really don't care if people don't want to have any children if they achieve this by not conceiving and don't kill any children they accidentally conceive. It's not as if I'd favour abortion if there were 'over population'.

I feel really uncomfortable about the reference to immigration at the end of the second article. I don't see the problem with immigration. I think it's a great solution to declining birth rates leading to demographic problems. It spreads the wealth about a bit, as immigrants often send money back to the poorer country they come from.

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la_veuve_chibi November 30 2008, 22:14:05 UTC
It's not that I have a problem with immigration, I just think it's sad to see a culture die out.

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lavendersparkle December 1 2008, 11:16:50 UTC
Spain currently has an immigrant population of 11%, it's hardly as if the ethnic Spanish are in danger of dying out any time soon. On top of that, Spain has a really long history of cultural mixing with Muslim North Africa and the Middle East, so it's hardly as if we're talking about a completely new influence on Spanish culture.

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la_veuve_chibi December 2 2008, 03:05:31 UTC
Right, I'm just speaking theoretically. Incidentally, some of my ancestors are from Spain, but the last name is apparently Moroccan. I've heard stuff about France's low birth rate and high immigration killing off French culture, but that's exaggerated by right-wing fucktards like LePen. I don't think they said anything about immigration in Japan, but if the population's shrinking, wouldn't it make sense to encourage adoption? Especially from China? *sigh* I don't understand people.

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la_veuve_chibi November 30 2008, 22:08:46 UTC
just under a fifth of women said intercourse was "too troublesome".

.....Troublesome? Troublesome?!? WTF is wrong with Japanese men?! I can't even begin to imagine how sex could be troublesome!

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duchessdollydot December 2 2008, 00:13:35 UTC
Meanwhile, over in China, the forced abortion of female children means that a lot of men in China are not even going to have a chance.

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