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[pottersues]

Here is the third day of “Hogwarts Revisited”.

TITLE: Hogwarts Revisited
PERPETRATOR: HaddixRevenge
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[turtle_yurippe]

Deputy Headmaster WHO?

Plus, as a Berlin-born German, I would like to say that while I have seen and heard many odd names around here (Mandy Schmidt? Seriously?), but Emeric is not one of them.

[eaglevision1999]

I am pretty sure I've known a Mandy Schmidt at some point... but yes, I don't think I've ever heard the name Emeric *is German, too*

[turtle_yurippe]

See? Those Mandy Schmidts and Beyoncé Meiers are everywhere! xD But no Emeric so far.

[cybeleadam]

I have heard the name Emeric more than once... in France and the French speaking part of Belgium.

[darth_gojira]

You know, when I thought there needed to be more Continental action, this isn't what I had in mind

[sandstorm]

[yemi_hikari]

*sigh* Another article where the writer doesn't know what they are talking about. Mary Sue doesn't mean "character who is perfect" or "character for the purpose of wish fulfillment. They also miss the fact that the fanfiction community is dominated by female writers, not males. When it comes to fiction I've seen the term used equally, but if the only fiction you read is romance novels of course your going to think it is only used for females. And don't get me started on the other concepts this author writes about. They make it obvious they don't know what they are talking about. D:

Edit: And I've read their other comments on their blog about Mary Sues. They do a real good job of proving even more that they don't know what they are talking about. There is a MAJOR difference between the misuse of the term and the actual PROPER use. PET PEEVE OF MINE.

[beacon80]

This female is name the default to use when describing idealized characters. Marty Stu and Gary Stu are only to be used if you’re discussing men specifically. Heck, there isn’t even an agreed upon term for them.
There is flawed logic here, of course. There isn't an agreed upon term for male Sues just means that it's common enough for multiple variations to crop up in different sectors (the internet communities were not as connected back then) that each reached enough common usage that neither could simply overtake the other (nor could using Mary Sue as a gender neutral).

And yes, Batman seems like a Mary Sue at a quick glance. Orphaned, rich, etc., except that these are really just symptoms of a Mary Sue that he happens to share. The big difference being that for Batman, they actually matter.

And her description of Spider-Man? That just makes me laugh. Yes, he's an everyman, but that's the point, he actually is an everyman. He has to put up with more shit than most superheroes ever do. Yes, in the end he gets the girl (after the

[eaglevision1999]

I understand the term Mary Sue originated from a Star Trek parody and the male term was made later to sound somewhat similar to the original one. Considering this, of course there couldn't be an agreed upon term for them, what with not having a singular origin like the female name. They simply developed independently and both made sense.

I always thought Mary Sue is a badly written character that warps whatever universe they're in in such a manner that it only revolves around her, overtaking anything else and changing all characters into mouthpieces (or at least making them ooc).
That's the reason those lithmus tests don't work well on many characters, they only detail common symptoms but miss the key problems.

Comic characters don't work well as examples anyway, they've got too many inconsistencies, changing writers, continuities and whatnot. Makes it really difficult to get into those fandoms as well.

[indigoneutrino]

From what I can make out from a bit of Googling, Emeric is a Slavic name, not German. I'm also not finding any evidence that Astana is used as a name in Italian, but it is the capital of Kazakhstan.

Also, why would Claude and Clemence being flying over the entire Atlantic to reach London if they're in France? Geography fail.

[turtle_yurippe]

Well, technically, most Germans don't have very German first names. I'm a Julia, my brother is called Fabian (my mother has a thing for the Greeks&Romans), and as I stated above, there are many people with completely un-German names like Mandy or Jaqueline or - the most common white trash name at the moment - Kevin. (Whether people can actually pronounce all those names is yet something else.) You won't find any Siegfrieds anymore, and if someone named their kid like that, he'd get laughed at by all the Maiks (misspelling of Mike) in his class. We still have Roberts and Jürgens and so on, of course, but like with most European languages, there is a lot of mixing between them when it comes to names. So Emeric not being a German name wouldn't be a problem - it's just that I've never heard of it, and I've lived here for always 23 years (or 22 if you don't count the one year I was away to Japan

[indigoneutrino]

I think there are some names that don't sound out of place in quite a few languages. I go to an international university and I have friends with names like Julia, Christina and Antonia and they're all from different countries, but they don't have names that sound particularly specific to their native language. None of those names would seem unusual in English, but the people they belong to are from France, Denmark and Germany.

Conversely, I have friends with names that sound very specific to their native language - for example, I think the name 'Santtu' would seem out of place in any language but Finnish - and I'd say Emeric fits more into that category than the former one. Maybe it's not impossible for a German to have that name, but just seems unlikely to me. You're in a better position than me to say on that one, though.

[turtle_yurippe]

Absolutely correct. (Although of course those "international" names you mention all have their own country of origin.)

As I said, I've never met an Emeric, but Germans give their kids very strange names as of lately, so nothing's impossible.

[redblonde7]

The first thought I had after reading all this was 'who are all these people?' and then it was 'why do I want to read about them?'. Unfortunately I don't have an answer for either of those questions. Why does the author not like the canon characters?

[indigoneutrino]

Who are all these people?

A bunch of Mary Sues.

Why do I want to read about them?

You don't.

Why does the author not like the canon characters?

She probably thinks her own characters are better.

[yemi_hikari]

She probably thinks her own characters are better.

I've seen quite a few writers who think their version is better then the original. For example, it would be cooler to have different uniforms then what they have in the Anime, but from my experience very few of the Anime out there have bad looking uniforms for the students. Actually, I can only think of one off the top of my head that was something I would never want to wear. Most are very generic or the Manga artist took a great deal of time to craft.

[eaglevision1999]

Well I would probably consider overknees and mini skirts very impractical in real life to say the very least. But in fanfiction you could simply avoid to describe them at all if they bother you. Most fans would know what they look like anyway.