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[pottersues]

Here is the third day of “Hogwarts Revisited”.

TITLE: Hogwarts Revisited
PERPETRATOR: HaddixRevenge
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[sandstorm]

[yemi_hikari]

*sigh* Another article where the writer doesn't know what they are talking about. Mary Sue doesn't mean "character who is perfect" or "character for the purpose of wish fulfillment. They also miss the fact that the fanfiction community is dominated by female writers, not males. When it comes to fiction I've seen the term used equally, but if the only fiction you read is romance novels of course your going to think it is only used for females. And don't get me started on the other concepts this author writes about. They make it obvious they don't know what they are talking about. D:

Edit: And I've read their other comments on their blog about Mary Sues. They do a real good job of proving even more that they don't know what they are talking about. There is a MAJOR difference between the misuse of the term and the actual PROPER use. PET PEEVE OF MINE.

[beacon80]

This female is name the default to use when describing idealized characters. Marty Stu and Gary Stu are only to be used if you’re discussing men specifically. Heck, there isn’t even an agreed upon term for them.
There is flawed logic here, of course. There isn't an agreed upon term for male Sues just means that it's common enough for multiple variations to crop up in different sectors (the internet communities were not as connected back then) that each reached enough common usage that neither could simply overtake the other (nor could using Mary Sue as a gender neutral).

And yes, Batman seems like a Mary Sue at a quick glance. Orphaned, rich, etc., except that these are really just symptoms of a Mary Sue that he happens to share. The big difference being that for Batman, they actually matter.

And her description of Spider-Man? That just makes me laugh. Yes, he's an everyman, but that's the point, he actually is an everyman. He has to put up with more shit than most superheroes ever do. Yes, in the end he gets the girl (after the

[eaglevision1999]

I understand the term Mary Sue originated from a Star Trek parody and the male term was made later to sound somewhat similar to the original one. Considering this, of course there couldn't be an agreed upon term for them, what with not having a singular origin like the female name. They simply developed independently and both made sense.

I always thought Mary Sue is a badly written character that warps whatever universe they're in in such a manner that it only revolves around her, overtaking anything else and changing all characters into mouthpieces (or at least making them ooc).
That's the reason those lithmus tests don't work well on many characters, they only detail common symptoms but miss the key problems.

Comic characters don't work well as examples anyway, they've got too many inconsistencies, changing writers, continuities and whatnot. Makes it really difficult to get into those fandoms as well.

[beacon80]

It's a general problem. Mary Sue isn't a strongly defined term. The original Mary Sue was parodying the over-powered self-insertions in Star Trek fanfiction. The exact qualifications vary from one person to the next.

My definition largely boils down to one simple question: "Does he or she get what they want (be it power, friends, love interest, etc.) without any reasonable effort?"

[yemi_hikari]

I think it is better to say that the Mary Sue warps reality as that explains Bella Sue.

[yemi_hikari]

I've seen Kurosaki Ichigo and Inoue Orihime from Bleach called a Gary Stu and Mary Sue because they have symptoms of such characters too. Ichigo is hot headed and charges into situations without thinking, not to mention he has no concerns for his own well being so long as those he wants to protect are safe. Orihime has God like powers but because she is a pacifist she is unable for a long time to attack anything that looks human.