A hopefully humble response to the debate question, God? or Mother Nature?

[policraticus]

From my point of view, God created the world, and the way it works. Therefore plate tectonics, subduction, earthquakes and tsunamis and the physics behind it all are his work. In fact things like tectonics, the water cycle which produces storms, vulcanism are actually necessary for life to exist on Earth. However, why do these natural forces

Comments

[yechezkiel]

Good answer, but there's something else interesting to touch on: that God's continued intimate involvement with His Creation (as made evident in the Incarnation, and in the ministrations of the Holy Spirit) shows that this event must also be able to be an opportunity for Good. (Not to say it is Good, or is necessary for the continued Bringing In of Creation back to God, but rather that this event creates new opportunities for Good and can be a lesson or a calling to some who might otherwise have slumbered.)

[policraticus]

Thanks for the quick response and the input. I actually thought about that, but kind of let it slide in there with the "all part of the plan" argument. I am very curious to see the reaction to this. Thanks again, now into the lion's den!

[allah_dot_com]

“God is indeed angry with man, as man is in rebellion against God, it could hardly be otherwise.”

Please explain

re: The Fall.

[policraticus]

Man has sinned, rejected God and stood in opposition to God's Will. With the entrance of sin into the world Man effectively defected to the side of those enemies of God who have sought in their pride to replace God with themselves. Since God is a just God, a God that will punish sin, God is angry with man. Mankind is under a curse, a sentence of death. God, in Christian theology, is within his rights to simply wipe us out. Of course, God is also a loving God, a God of perfect mercy, a long-suffering and patient, forgiving God, so he has sought to redeem those separated from him, to reach out and gather all who would come to him and seek mercy from him. He has entered into history and paid the price we owe by living a just life, dying and paying our penalty for us, and rising again.

Re: The Fall.

[allah_dot_com]

This just sounds like cult talk to me.

Re: The Fall.

[policraticus]

How so? How can I make it clearer?

[policraticus]

I am still here, mostly in the winter, usually in politicsforum, apologetics or the cage match that is debate. Mucking around is certianly an apt turn of phrase for debate! I have more or less admitted to myself that I am not a very good diariest, my life to just to embarassingly boring to be laid bare to the blogosphere, but I do enjoy a good discussion/argument/flame war/pissing contest. Anyway, a Happy New Year to you, and I hope this generates some thought.

[mega_bass]

If God takes life he's an indian giver.

[colintj]

PS we won teh internets

[policraticus]

Now the perfect little dialog is all crapped up with poseurs and wannabes. : (

Just like the internets.

There is a lesson here somewhere.

Or not.

[colintj]

gold, gold, in the american river!

and try not to learn from teh internets. it speaks poorly of you and sometimes kills the funny.

[policraticus]

That was the last day California was worth a plugged nickle.

The interwebs are an extended Seinfeld episode.

No message.

No moral.