TVD 4x8
SO DISCLAIMER. This episode had a lot of disturbing content, and this is a show that is not notoriously self-aware with the implications it casts around sometimes. We all have different sets and amounts of things we can and can’t tolerate in watching/discussing. If you don’t or can’t set that aside, I get it. I do. No hard feelings. I’m not
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Ugh. Everything about this is so lovely - and I got so ~whelmed by the girls that I forgot about the drug use a little. And I think that speaks to how the episode worked - it was so entirely ~normalized.
They’re tired and high and they’ve been holding back for so long and things are coming out all wrong, and it’s hurtful and unfair because their lives are hurtful and unfair. But I believed it, as a realistically layered part of the relationship, and somehow all those slumber-party scenes made possible only by Bonnie’s insistence that they shut the boy talk out indefinitely drove home everything these kids have been through together in a whole new way. And that’s why ( ... )
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THE GIRLS! Precious, all three of them.
As I'm rewatching, I'm picking up more and more clues that the sire bond is not. Even the blood bag test fails, because the line Stefan keeps referring to (about Elena needing human blood, from the vein) was spoken to Stefan, not to Elena, who didn't even hear it. Sun and the Moon curse is probably a very good analogy.
The psychological codependency between Stefan and Lexi is fascinating. In a morbid way. She's so cold and cruel. How am I supposed to believe she's one of the Good Guys after the way she treated Damon?
I DO NOT WANT TYLER TO DIE! But I have a bad feeling :(.
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Agreeeeeed. I'm not trying to be too cool and jaded for it, I really do admire people who can pick stuff apart so relentlessly, but I tend not to put the mental resources in except when I'm really pissed about something.
How am I supposed to believe she's one of the Good Guys after the way she treated Damon?
It's so awesome that SHE JUST WASN'T. BOOM. And that's even though her outcomes were likely overall pretty good for the world, since getting Ripper Stefan back on the straight and narrow saved a lot of lives in the short term. And that's what makes me worry about Tyler and Bonnie.
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(Was it aerintine who pointed out at the beginning of S3 that Damon thought he was protecting Stefan from Lexi when he killed her? I want to credit the idea, now that it’s been all but verified by the show.)
Jamie might've talked about it? I remember talking about it on Alex's journal when Lexi came back as a ghost. And watching this episode made me think about it again, how Damon sacrificed time with his brother because Lexi told him it was necessary. And what must've happened between 1942 and 2009 that would make him realize Lexi needed to die die die. Or else get in the way of their bond again. Probably just that over 60 years without Stefan made Damon so desperate for him again that having him back even for a few episodes -- well, Lexi's arrival was the last thing Damon would want.
It’s tough to separate his rise with the wolves out from his status within the core group of vampires, as well.Right but it's fascinating too to watch his arc. He tried to be part of the vampire group and he got betrayed. So to ( ... )
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And I agree, I think it was mostly about how he didn't realize how much he'd missed his brother until he really had Stefan back, even if only on antagonistic terms. I wonder if it also wasn't a function of the comet's timing? Damon was on such a high about maybe getting Katherine back. He was going to have Katherine, and he was going to have his brother, and Lexi would get in the way of them being crazy vamp rebels together so she had to go.
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It makes me wanna do a rewatch because I feel like I'd understand Damon so much more, also Stefan and Elena.
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Recently I rewatched a big chunk of s1, and, knowing what happens with S/E in late s3-early s4, I read them so differently than the first time around! All the wrong, disturbing things were already there, weaved in in a very, very subtle, innocent way. Whoa!
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And everyone is going through it right now all at once.
Yes! That's the thing about young adulthood, is that you're not as totally emancipated as you thought you'd be. And they're all learning that at once, and it's going to be a spectacular train wreck. I CAN HARDLY WAIT.
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LULZ - so it shall!!!
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it's funny that fandom often can't understand the characters buying into the Good-Bad Brother Dichotomy, because so much of fandom does it too? I see people being OTT disgusted with Stefan (and with good reason), but Damon also found it perfectly natural to keep it from Elena that she was sired, Damon's attitude to Elena isn't right just because Stefan's is wrong.Yeah. I mean, I don't like the idea of letting someone off the hook because they put on a show of being so good and insinuate that you're so cruel for suspecting them, but I don't think it's any better to hide behind "honesty" and lower the standards for anyone who just yells I'M BAD SO FUCK YOU. That's just as lazy and just as dangerous. I like my warm little corner of the internet that is affectionately critical of both of them. I certainly have a tendency to understand Damon's social standing and emotional issues more ( ... )
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