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petrichor_fizz

Here be dragons

Jul 25, 2007 18:28

So, first of all, a little preamble. This week and next I am volunteering to work with autistic children. The boy I've been assigned to help look after has no language, doesn't use Makaton signs and is, for the most part, very disengaged. This got me to thinking about Lines in the Sand, and the whole "oh my God, you really connected with him" thing ( Read more... )

iraq, house, fandom, house/wilson

Comments 46

toolazytowork July 25 2007, 18:54:06 UTC

Not to say anything negative about the eloquent way you phrased the theory, but I really don't see how there is any possibility of there being House/Cameron. Not even temporarily. This isn't even an anti-Cameron post. I just don't see the characters as being particularly drawn to each other anymore. Interested, the way one is with someone that has been a constant presence for years, but not attracted.

The rest of the theories. I do not know what to think. I have no problem with character growth in whatever form. If it's growth and not whatever it is happened to Cameron last season--that was more like mental illness than anything else.

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 19:02:11 UTC

I'd like to think you're right about House/Cameron, and you may very well be, but I just feel that the Cameron/Chase relationship only ended because they still want to leave the House/Cameron door open (but bear in mind I'm in the UK, so I've only seen about half of S3).

If it's growth and not whatever it is happened to Cameron last season--that was more like mental illness than anything else.

God, you're so right. I had a long conversation with my dad about this, and we basically came to the conclusion that it was conceivable for her to have gone from where she was to where she is now, but that it hadn't been explored or conveyed properly and that it was totally inconsistent. Like, the starting point and the destination more or less made sense, but the journey was a squiggle.

inlaterdays July 25 2007, 19:03:47 UTC

House/Cuddy? DO NOT WANT. >:(

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 19:06:22 UTC

It's the het ship that it's OK for H/W shippers to like, but it does nothing for me. Seriously, if I have to watch House and a woman getting it on, give me Stacy any day.

I'm open to Wilson/Cuddy, though. Sort of.

inlaterdays July 25 2007, 19:08:49 UTC

Oddly, I don't mind Wilson/Cuddy, because they'd both be thinking about House the whole time and when he found out he'd flip in ways that might be amusing to watch.

I don't like Stacy but I'm not sure why.

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 19:23:12 UTC

Exactly! And also because sometimes I get really angry at House and think "right, that's it, Wilson and Cuddy deserve better than this shit, you can be all alone if you want, Wilson and Cuddy can be together, how do you like that, House, you bastard?". But I always come around.

I really liked Stacy, but I know I was in the minority there, especially among slashers.

Thread 5

dangomango July 25 2007, 19:08:19 UTC

One day, I will definitely get a life. I swear. Heh. I've stopped telling myself that-every time I attempt to get a life, I realize why I avoid most human beings. /grumpy ( ... )

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 19:19:02 UTC

I had to read it again anyway because I'd forgotten what I said in the third paragraph (I AM SO WITH IT).

I agree with you re: House's behaviour towards Wilson - it broke my heart into tiny little pieces when he called him "boring" in Half Wit. And I'd also like to see a lot more of jealous!House, which will hopefully happen. Wilson needs to stand up for himself, but failing that, House realising how much he takes Wilson for granted all by himself would be pretty great.

It would be seriously contrived if they brought Stacy back in the final three episodes or whatever, and then they lived happily ever after - but if she became a regular character for a while, and the progression were more gradual, I could definitely cope with that.

Wilson needs to be happy. If they do something terrible to Wilson (a-fucking-gain) I'll be so pissed off. He deserves so much better than that.

dangomango July 25 2007, 19:26:25 UTC

LOL I SHOULD HAVE COPIED IT FOR YOU. *feels bad* And yeah, I'd like some more jealous!House-few things make me more happy. But if House realized, all on his lonesome, the shit he puts Wilson through, I would be all *gigantic smiles* But because the show is depressing and cynical "realistic" about relationships House would just push Wilson away "for his own good". Because they are both STUPID and DESERVE EACH OTHER. *g*
I suppose I could deal with House/Stacy if it was gradual. They kinda deserve each other too, and he wasn't such an asshole when she was around.
...Okay, he was, but it was tolerable. Or something.
WILSON/HAPPINESS IS MY OTP. Which means I will never be happy. *pines*
Wilson, or my idea of him, and I have more in common than I'm comfortable with. It's like, if I can't be happy, at least he should. Or something. *bad at explaining things*

dangomango July 25 2007, 19:27:28 UTC

Christ, I say "or something" a lot. BAD GRAMMAR IS NOT MY FRIEND DAMMIT.

Thread 12

karaokegal July 25 2007, 21:27:18 UTC

Excellent points, all, ESPECIALLY the fact that House/Cuddy this season probably rules it out as Endgame assuming there is one and you already know what I see when I delve into the minds of Dave&Katie.

The only thing I would sort of question is how Stacy was in anyway detrimental to House/Wilson, unless you count the roof fight, which I thought was actually one of their best scenes together.

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 21:36:17 UTC

Well, it wasn't destructive on a Vogler/Tritter scale, but their friendship certainly took a back seat while House was fixated on Stacy. Any conversation he did have with Wilson would tend to be about Stacy.

But you're right, it wasn't on the same scale as the other two arcs, not by a long shot. And the second half of S2 was ridiculously slashy.

karaokegal July 25 2007, 21:42:38 UTC

Just to continue...I think "Need To Know" was also incredibly slashy. Wilson's reactions what was going on, especially "You can't toy with him like this...". GUH. Not to mention the joint rolling scene. And the conversation during the surgery. The H/W subtext was just rampant...how about the opening scene from "Hunting"? Or the whole episode. You could argue that Stacy was one of the best things that ever happened to H/W from a "now you see it, now you don't" point of view. Another reason, why my retrospective Stacy-like has come into being given what we've been through in Season 3.

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 21:50:32 UTC

Wilson was all over the place when Stacy was there. He was like "you still love her! But stop stalking her! But confront your feelings!", and then he told Stacy off for sleeping with him, and then when House sent Stacy away he was like "you idiot, what are you doing?". It reminds me of his Cameron craziness - "go out with her! Now! You like her!"/"Don't hurt him! I'll kill you!"

You're right, Stacy brought the slash. I suppose I meant on a romantic level rather than a platonic level, in that particular case.

Thread 6

hry2007 July 25 2007, 21:40:20 UTC

But this isn't the real world, this is TV, and (much as many literary critics try), it's rarely useful to psychoanalyse a fictional character in any real depth, unless that character has been consistently crafted by a person or group with a good understanding of, and commitment to, his or her psychology.

I totally disagree. To be a good writer, to produce a story people can truly understand, you have to keep the personalities realistic.

petrichor_fizz July 25 2007, 21:46:21 UTC

Don't you think that a character can be realistic and convincing without always acting in exactly the way a real person would? I think, if you put an honest-to-God real person in a fictional world, it wouldn't work. I think fictional characters have their edges planed down to make them more accessible, because we see all sides of them, and if they had as many sides as real people do then it would be difficult to form a real understanding of them.

I think maybe a character like Hamlet is an exception, but that just goes to show - look how much trouble he causes. There are about a thousand interpretations of him.

Still, we can agree to disagree.

hry2007 July 25 2007, 23:24:57 UTC

What other rules are there to apply to characters? Psychology, statistics and such are the most accurate way to understand people, both real and fictional.

If life-based standards don't apply, we can do whatever we please with characters. Meta would be pointless, and there would be no common ground of though.

petrichor_fizz July 26 2007, 15:18:40 UTC

I do think that characters are based on real people, I just think it's unrealistic to expect that they'll always act in a psychologically authentic way, because the writer/s are going to want to take them in certain directions, and they'll quite happily bend the rules in order to do that. I mean, you can look at S3 Cameron and think "she must have been traumatised in some way, leading to this strange behaviour" if that's your interpretation, but I just thought "the writers don't know what to do with her and they're really cocking up her characterisation". It's a matter of personal choice, of course, but that's mine.