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peppermintyrose

Them Crazy Shippers

Sep 07, 2011 05:25

I was discussing this subject with someone - about the fact that there are a whole bunch of crazy "shippers" - which is short for those who yearn for a certain relationship between characters - in this fandom. Shippers are easy to write for, because basically, you could write the worst of tales, and shippers would cheer it on as long as the couple ( Read more... )

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thyradane September 6 2011, 20:19:23 UTC

Hey - I`m an old lady. I may get a heart attack from the pace Sookie has in the books. Give us elderly people some breathing space. Or oxygen. Or some more shower scenes :-)

And now I feel sooooo tempted to write a fanfic with therapy, babies, Sookie and Eric talking (which could be in therapy, or?), jealousy (but no fucking around) and pleeeenty of transitional chapters. If I work hard I may even make Sookie into a doormat (I`ll have to put my fingers in my ears and go nananana while I write it, though). And I`ll dedicate the whole crapwork to you.
Sounds good? :-D

peppermintyrose September 6 2011, 20:38:05 UTC

You wimp. No oxygen in those shower scenes! NEEDS MOAR APOCALYPSES. :D Now you're watching BTVS you'll get that. :D

Oh man - you'd be no different from a whole bunch of stories. And don't lie. You couldn't make her a doormat. But if you do, please give me permission to link to show how you can write a steaming pile of crap. :D :D

thyradane September 6 2011, 21:04:44 UTC

Let Sookie be half killed by one species at a time - that`s all I ask. Oh, and more shower scenes. I would forgo on the oxygen then. I may even forgo on the shower scenes.

I`m not sure how I`d make her a doormat but I would leave no stone unturned in my pursuit of doormat-perfection for you, my dear. Maybe I`d let Pam or Amelia talk some sense into her. That always seems to work :-)

Hold your horses - let me write the crapularity first.

peppermintyrose September 6 2011, 21:12:08 UTC

Brutal worlds need to be brutal all the time, not just when it's convenient. :D

Lol - just have her pining for him while he's sleeping around with other women and being a dick - you know - that moment where she pushes Ginger away in DUD and says "Have at me you big murderous Viking". And then make *her* apologise to him for letting him bite her hard and make her cry. And you've gotta have Pam, Amelia and Bill tell her how to make Eric happy.

Yay? :D

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elbly September 6 2011, 20:50:05 UTC

Isn't "that was a good transitional chapter" code for "Well there was no sex this time, but I'm going to let you off, so long as you give me a whole chapter of sex next time." ?

As for Eric trying to bone Jason - We all know that was a phase! He's not really into that. ERIC'S NOT GAY! OKAY?

P.s. I just LOVE your Sookie doormat avi!

peppermintyrose September 6 2011, 21:03:39 UTC

Seems to be just that. The use of the word "transitional" gets right up my nose - as if it's an actual thing. IT'S NOT.

If only Sookie would read his mind and know he was only attracted to Jason for his resemblance to Sookie! Oh, she can't do that? Bitch.

And we all know he's not gay - he never looks at men, and can't stand kissing them.

Lol - I had such trouble finding a doormat that looked like a doormat and not just "avi of indiscriminate brown square".

ext_456449 September 6 2011, 21:58:05 UTC

I swear I've read multiple fics where the author apologizes for having no "lemons" (can I just mention now how much I hate that term...it's a lot) in a chapter, then promises porn double-duty in the next one as incentive to keep reading. Not that there's anything wrong with extra porn, but if, you know, you feel you need to apologize for having a plot beyond "and then they boned some more," maybe you're doing it wrong? I dunno. Seems like something should change there.

Also, elbly, your avatar is very distracting. It's just, with the...I mean, it's distracting enough stationary, but like that? C'mon, man.

elbly September 7 2011, 05:36:42 UTC

Where does the term 'lemons' come from? I realise it's because people need a code word - either because the site they're posting on bans porn, or because they or their readers are ashamed of a perfectly natural happening, but it's an odd one.

I used to appologise for a lack of sex, but that's when I was new and desperate for readers.

And sorry about the avi - but I have a purile sense of humour, and figure if the British Sports Commission (or whoever it is that's organising the Olympics here) insists on using a logo that looks like Lisa Simpson giving head, then I'm going to enjoy it just that little bit more.

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anonymous September 7 2011, 05:05:03 UTC

"You can't have a story if you don't have tension."

Amen. Praise Jesus. Why is that so hard to understand??? And it doesn't count as tension if you know it's going to be resolved the next chapter.

Great post, as always. Particularly liked the visuals.

June Smith

peppermintyrose September 7 2011, 09:38:26 UTC

It's easier if there's no tension, and crazy shippers are going to encourage you to do it wrong to reassure themselves. It's a case of the blind leading the blind.

I pour all my frustrations into avatars, and then find I have too many I want to wear. So I had to find something to do with them. :D

finiteanarchy September 8 2011, 03:05:35 UTC

I feel like I should yell at you for using Sigmund. (If I get one more Freud question...*shakes fist*) Maybe Adler? He's so much cuddlier, and he didn't use coke ( ... )

peppermintyrose September 8 2011, 10:48:53 UTC

Yes, but Freud is possibly more recognisable - hence his usage ( ... )

finiteanarchy September 13 2011, 18:24:12 UTC

Stupid Freud and his stupid oedipal complex.

Although, it maybe fitting in these fics that Sookie really does envy the peen. Because if you've got one the size of Eric's -you're set for life...or eternity, as the case may be.

huzzah! terminology confusion. got it.

peppermintyrose September 14 2011, 03:53:45 UTC

Yes - but that's why he was used.

You are just set for eternity. You win all arguments, you're always right and good, despite being a 1000 year old killer.

See, you were treating it as if they *knew* what they were talking about. :D

tigerjan110 September 8 2011, 18:08:26 UTC

What I want to know, is all these chicks (because really, like any of them are guys?!) who think Sookie should give up her life to be with Eric...I wonder if they tell their friends "Don't worry about what's right for you, you need to make xyz boyfriend happy!" Hey, it's apparently what Sookie should do, her own life goals be damned! Way to set the feminist movement back a few centuries, ladies.

I can't count how many fics I've read where the main issue is resolved by chapter 3 or so...and then I see there's 15 chapters left. Filled, of course, with babies and excessive banging. SO. BORING. Obstacles are necessary for a good story. And sexual tension. If you're boning 3 times every chapter, that's not tension. (Chafing, perhaps.)

I sometimes like when I see an "apology" for lack of lemons, because I figure there'll be an actual story inside.

Not that I've any aversion to the sex scenes of course. ;) But everything in moderation.

peppermintyrose September 8 2011, 19:11:38 UTC

I'm thinking on some level they do. I mean, single women writing about a girl who'll take any shit a guy will dish out? Women who've been married a couple of years and believing firmly that they have to hide who they are and stick it out? Sounds a bit autobiographical to me. If they knew how to work it right, wouldn't they write it so it works right ( ... )

tigerjan110 September 8 2011, 19:29:49 UTC

Yeah, you'd think. Although so many of them clearly dislike Sookie anyway, maybe they just don't give a crap whether what she does is healthy or not. She's merely a literary conduit to a naked Eric. They're usually the same ones that are demanding sex scenes by chapter 2. "Sookie and Eric have known each other 10 minutes, how have they NOT had sex yet?! Get on it!!!"

I think the most I've ever said to review a sex scene is "Wow, that was better than MY first time." (For most people, that probably goes without saying.) I'm not sure how I'd would review one anyway. "Hey it sure got me hot and bothered the way they put Tab A in Slot B. Nice job!" (Maybe if I'm feeling like a pain in the ass, which I usually am, I might actually do that some time.) But yes, you're right. SOMEone will love any sex scene. It goes along with Internet Rule #34. :D

peppermintyrose September 8 2011, 19:59:58 UTC

I don't know why they bother to vary it so much. Just have them bone and be done with it. Eric can be a teacher/fireman/bookmaker/candlestick maker and they can write the same fucking story. When they stick all this other crap in that delays the boning or surrounds boning, I'm inclined to think it's cause they're doormats themselves. No one cares if it's PWP - except readers like me, and I'm not going to like a doormat fic *either*.

I don't think there's any critique you could give, other than "If you want to go into porn writing, you'll have to be more out there than reverse cowgirl, dude." Porn writing nowadays is tending towards lots of BDSM, threesomes, anal and other less standard fanfic fare. You've always got to top the trends at the time, and be able to be more outrageous. Of course the problem is that some people writing these scenes aren't experienced at sex (or they'd realise there were paper thin arms, mutual neck biting is impossible) so they've got no chance at being out there enough.

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