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[archfaith]

Hello everyone. I have been watching this community for a few weeks now, and so far I like what I've been seeing! I'm a fanfic writer who is going to try and attempt to write a Rorschach/Nite Owl in the following weeks. I was initially going to start right away, but I realize that I have some unanswered questions about our lovely couple and I

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[pure1magination]

Rorschach = virgin, no question. The way he is, any sort of sexual stimulation would be viewed as dirty, perverse, and evil. He hates himself enough as it is, he doesn't need another reason.

Also, I think the reason Dan is usually the one to start it is the plain fact that Rorschach is either too proud or not willing to let down that wall he built around his emotions without coaxing from dan.

[aniwan]

I second that. Encountered that same problem with my fic, so instead of fighting it, I just ran with it

[serenity_winner]

Dan could also be a virgin

Er, are we forgetting Twilight Lady? Vice queen, in all likeliness was boffing Dan?

I think you're underestimating Dan's ability to get a girlfriend pre-Nite Owl.

[aniwan]

I said could. That doesn't mean is.

It was an alternative route.

Also, 'in all likeliness' doesn't mean for certain. Yes, it's possible, but it isn't carved in stone.

[minuscapitolina]

1. I also agree at first that Rorschach should have been the more dominant one but as what I've read from the fics I can see the potential of Daniel as the top. I think in times of desperation Daniel could have the guts to lead by any means and any situation. I also think Rorschach's violence does not extend to his more personal actions such as intimacy probably because of what he has seen in his childhood.

2. Yes LOL. I'd always believed that he is a virgin so by any means, Daniel can ravish him. XD

I look forward to your fic!

[kotshin]

Hello

[uranian_poet]

That's fascinating...I hadn't thought about how Rorschach's political/social views could influence him sexually. He certainly seems to identify as conservative, and that fits well with his sex negativity.

I interpret Rorschach's disgust with liberalism as a disgust with idealism, rather than a political standpoint. Liberals and progressives believe that it's possible to improve the world. They value tolerance and nonviolence, and are generally anti-capital punishment. Rorschach obviously disagrees with this perspective.

But does that mean that he has a complete set of right wing values, including the belief that homosexuality is immoral? (I know you didn't assert this at all, lol. I'm arguing hypothetically because the concept interests me.) Personally, I think it doesn't, because that particular conservative view originated in fundamentalist Christianity. I'm pretty sure that Rorscharch is an athiest, and he's definitely not religious.

But he could certainly be homophobic regardless! It fits his character well to hate things. ^_

[kotshin]

Yep, that's what I think. He's conservative in more than one way

[uranian_poet]

True, I can't picture him having many left wing opinions either. Left wing opinions don't seem to appear much at all in the Watchmen universe!

And I often forget that mainstream society tends to present homosexuality as something even vaguely perverted (silly me, living in my happy internet universe...) and Rorscharch obviously has a thing against perversion. He could have gotten the notion from anywhere and everywhere, not just religion. *nods* It does make sense for him to be homophobic.

[pureaddiction]

I have some rather conflicting feelings on this. I saw another discussion in another community about how everyone says Rorschach is asexual which I don't believe. I believe he does have sexual urges and attraction but violently suppresses them. In order to hate it as much as he seems to I don't think he could be asexual.

It makes me think about him as a teenager, I mean he was quite and sullen. But he was also a bright student. I wonder if there wasn't any sort of awkward fumblings at that age.

I think you could argue for both sides of whether he was a virgin or not.

I always come back to when he speaks of Swedish, French and American love. It's nostalgic feeling yes but in what ways could you read it?

I'm sorry, I'm rambling. It's late and I'm tired. I'm going to go away think about it some more. :D

[whiskerslily]

Well, in my opinion...

1.
This is complex. Let me see if I can explain. Rorschach would need to feel forced into doing anything sexual, despite the fact he is actually the more pro-active and dominant one in the relationship.Dan is passive enough to play along and pretend that he (Dan) is the dominant one.

Rorschach views on sex in the GN are pretty warped-- he sees it as a degrading and terrible act yet, being human, he still wants sex. So he *absolutely needs* Dan to play the dominant and forceful role, so Rorschach can feel justified in having sex at all (this, in a warped way, would put the sexual responsiblity on Dan).

.... I really, really hope I didn't make that overly confusing.

2. I think so too. Rorschach= virgin. But, y'know, after he met Dan ... :D