a knife in my heart...

[othicbrooke]

so i have gotten in quite a bit of debates about a number of morally wrong issues we must fight against in our society with several people out there and the past 2 weeks i've actually done something about it

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[anonymous]

I happen to be pro-choice, and i don't see how it's any different of a crime as you say it is for the mother to abort her baby without it's opinion if you are just going to shut down abortion clinics for women who need to have an abortion. Either way, a life is destroyed. If the baby dies, that child's life is obviously destroyed. But if it lives, and the mother who wanted that abortion couldn't get it because you are trying to shut down clinics, then you could be in fact ruining more lives. A mother with an unwanted baby will not only be forced to pay for it, and to care for it, and to give time to it, but probably won't care for it as much if it is forced upon her. After all, if I forced you to eat something you don't like, you wouldn't be too happy about it. Same type of thing, not exact, so dont' say "It's not the same!" The thing is, I don't mind what someone's preference is, pro-life or pro-choice, however, I don't force my decision upon others. Just because you don't support abortion does not mean that someone who needs it

[othicbrooke]

***put your child up for adoption*** oops

[anonymous]

While I can see what your examples with the girl and the husband mean, and how those 2 individuals were devastated, the truth is you are only thinking in the short term. Sure, that girl was devastated, but if her mother is dragging her into the clinic that means that she is under the age of 18. In the first place, she probably shouldn't be having sex. But, ok, just for arguments sake let's pretend it's ok. That young girl would have to dedicate her time to the baby, which means a) she can't go to college, b) she has to get a quick fix job, and c) has to hire a nanny while she's at work. The result is a very poor family, with the effect hurting the generations that would follow that child. As for the husband and his "destroyed relationship", if his wife and him could not agree on what do to before they had sex, then they probably aren't ready for the child in the first place. Also, if they can't come to terms with something as important as that, do they really belong together? That's not my call to make, but obviously each of them

[anonymous]

How about the future of the baby?

Oh wait. They're dead.

[anonymous]

That response is completely short-minded. Yes, the baby is dead. And I'm not going to say it is not unfortunate. However,it's 1 dead baby (in most cases) versus a depressed mother, a poor family, and uncared for baby (who eventually WILL find out he/she was unwanted), and then the generations that also spring from the new youth or even still the old couple who has another one. You still think in the short term, the minimalist scale. I think about the future, you think about immediate. And the end result is that I will not make mistakes that will cost me my future, while you will fall into a moral fallacy blinded by your narrow mindedness.

[anonymous]

There IS no future for someone who has died.

I am not narrow minded. I see your one exception, the exception that a baby cannot be afforded or loved. I also see the thousands of capable people out there dying to love it. Moral fallacy? You yourself say it is "sad" and "unfortunate" that babies have to die because they are unwanted. It is sad and unfortunate that you can't be man enough to defend a human being without a voice. Or 2 million.

Or if that's not good enough for you, there are thousands of women who suffer from post-abortion depression. They are haunted by the life inside them going out. There are fathers who are unable to stop their children from being killed. There are mothers whose own parents make the decision for them, a decision that should have not even be an option.

Who are you to say whose future matters more than others, or whose life? I think about the future more than you do. I think about the future that never gets a chance to happen because someone's own immediate needs overshadow it.

[anonymous]

This is exactly my point! You think about 1 single life. All things being equal, neither you or me can predict the value of that life. On the other hand, neither of us can predict the value of the life that the mother would have without that child. So to say that I value one or the other more is simply foolish. I value both lives, but I am a realist. And in the grand scheme of things, the future that "never gets a chance to happen" could also be said about the new mother forced to have her kid. You are simply taking chances with both lives, while I try to ensure that at least one person ends up happy. You could end up screwing up many lives, while I end up sparing more.

[anonymous]

You wrongly make the assumption that I am valuing the baby's life over the mother's. There are thousands and thousands of women that can attest to the great and unshakable loss of having an abortion, organizations devoted to healing, and support groups all for the other victim in an abortion: the woman

[anonymous]

I am not saying that using abortion as birth control is good. People should use abortion responsibly. But, how is it different to abort as birth control, and to use birth control? In both situations, the life that could be will never be. Maybe I've given the impression that I support endless amounts of abortion. That is incorrect. I support using abortion maturely in cases where the baby causes more harm to the family than good. How does one measure this? It's a delicate balance of financial stability, psychological stability, and other factors that shape the baby's life. And while these thousands and thousands of women have post-abortion depression, these are women who were in the first place not ready for a child because they cannot handle the psychological pressure. People need to think before they have sex, not just about with who, but about the consequences. And until every angle is thought of, that person is not ready to handly ANY of them, including a child. Do you really want a child in the hands of a mother that doesn't love

[anonymous]

No, I don't want the child in the hands of that mother because I care about it. And likewise, I don't want it having to experience terrible pain and die at the hands of science.

Is there any difference between some abortions, and all abortions? How about some murder and other murders, some rapes and all rapes? They are all wrong. There is no mature way to "use" abortion. Abortion is not a birth control technique, neither is it a convenient way to escape inconvenience.

Your persistent disregard of the option to allow a baby to live and not care for it is also notable, namely adoption. I would be curious to know why you have totally disregarded this moral alternative every time it has arisen.

[anonymous]

There is no difference at all between the process of the abortion, but there is between the reasons behind them and the frequency at which they occur. As for my persistent disregard, I believe I affiliate myself with the pro-CHOICE group, which gives the mother the option. We simply look at the choice from different perspectives, where I'm giving the mother the choice, and you are giving the baby a chance. Just remember that in the end, it is the mother's choice, and not the child's.

[anonymous]

It is the mother's choice, simply because she has a voice. In the pro-life perspective, the mother gets the choice. The baby gets to live. And there is no price on life.

[anonymous]

In pro-life the mother is forced to have her baby. That is no choice! As for why she gets the choice, why should the baby get the choice when it leaches nutrients off of the mother, makes her life difficult, makes her gain weight, gives her morning sickness, forces its way through the vagina, and the ultimately costs the mother resources. Unless the baby is wanted, it is a much bigger effort than it is worth to have the child for 9 months than to end the problem 4 weeks or however long into it when not much damage is done to her.