a knife in my heart...

[othicbrooke]

so i have gotten in quite a bit of debates about a number of morally wrong issues we must fight against in our society with several people out there and the past 2 weeks i've actually done something about it

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[anonymous]

I happen to be pro-choice, and i don't see how it's any different of a crime as you say it is for the mother to abort her baby without it's opinion if you are just going to shut down abortion clinics for women who need to have an abortion. Either way, a life is destroyed. If the baby dies, that child's life is obviously destroyed. But if it lives, and the mother who wanted that abortion couldn't get it because you are trying to shut down clinics, then you could be in fact ruining more lives. A mother with an unwanted baby will not only be forced to pay for it, and to care for it, and to give time to it, but probably won't care for it as much if it is forced upon her. After all, if I forced you to eat something you don't like, you wouldn't be too happy about it. Same type of thing, not exact, so dont' say "It's not the same!" The thing is, I don't mind what someone's preference is, pro-life or pro-choice, however, I don't force my decision upon others. Just because you don't support abortion does not mean that someone who needs it should not be allowed to have it. That's what America is about. If you don't like it, don't have one. And you can spread the word, but once you start closing down clinics that A) Provide jobs, and B) Help women who need these abortions, you are actually being more of a nuisance than a help. Base YOUR life on your beliefs, not everyone else's.

[anonymous]

No one needs to have an abortion. There are so many options for women to give away their children who can't afford to have them and thousands of families every year on waiting lists for adoption. This isn't about choices, it's about lives. I don't like murder, but other people do it. Just because they seem to think it's okay doesn't make it okay, and it's the same thing with abortion.

[anonymous]

You can't really compare 2 things like murder an abortion, no matter how similar they seem, simply because of the fact that murder is illegal while abortion is not. If abortion was illegal, I would whole-hearted support the pro-life side. But in today's world, abortion is legal, and therefore everyone is given a choice. Whether or not you like that choice and its consequences, it is still not up to you to go after abortion clinics that are legal business and shut them down. And as for "needing" an abortion, I will give it to you that some people don't NEED them, but there are certain circumstances that do require it, and by attacking clinics you are not allowing for those circumstances, simply eliminating the possibility for all. Until abortion is made illegal, what you are doing may be a valiant moral battle, but it is only a good idea in theory. In the real world, sometimes painful things like abortion are important and help keep order and control in our lives.

[anonymous]

"murder: to kill intentionally and with premeditation"

"kill: cause to die; put to death, usually intentionally or knowingly"

Abortion is murder.

Or how about this. A mother can't afford to have a child or doesn't love it, as you pointed out, so she drowns her child in the bathtub. Murder, or abortion?

A baby is born prematurely in the hospital and the parents decide to kill it by unplugging its equipment, deciding they don't want it. Murder, or abortion?

I have the choice to run into a shopping mall and shoot everyone. But that's wrong, and that's why there are laws that say that. Abortion WAS illegal and remained illegal for a long time. Did right or wrong change or just people's opinions?

Let's make an exception for murder. You say there are exceptions. Let's say my husband beats me, so I murder him. That's still illegal. But it's an exception. So is it wrong to deny people the "right" to murder?

Life is not a choice. Taking other people's lives is not a choice. You can't choose for someone to be alive when they die. And you can't choose for someone to die when they're alive. Because abortion is murder.

[anonymous]

Whether or not the dictionary makes abortion and murder seem like the same thing, the law defines them differently and as such must be treated differently. Just because it WAS illegal doesn't mean a thing. Drinking used to be illegal too. The fact is that laws change based on society, whether everyone loves the idea or not. It is not important what individuals think when it comes to the law. Yes you have the decision to shoot everyone in the mall. However, the law says that there are dire consequences for you should you act upon this. Abortion can be called wrong by you morally, but you can't just declare it morally wrong for everyone just because you don't like it because the laws are what dictate our lives (sadly), not personal feelings. I'm not a fan of the law, and I'm sure that you wish there were some others in place, however, we are all forced to live with the laws that are currently in place, and only those. Not those which we want, or those which should be there, or those which shouldn't. The only laws that matter are those that ARE. Until a law makes abortion illegal, it will continue, and should be allowed to, and attacking people who do it and are ok with it is more politically incorrect than them having it in the first place. Your argument exists only in a perfect world where everyone can afford to have a child and love them, but sadly that does not exist, and as the law allows abortion, it will continue to be a practice.

[anonymous]

In some countries, the law condones genocide and holocaust.

What would have happened if no one stood up to those leaders and the law?

Even more people would have been senselessly slaughtered.

I will not stand by and let people kill my generation because they have more political power than I do, and neither should you.

[anonymous]

Yes, some countries do permit horrible things to happen to their people. However, American is NOT one of those countries. We have laws that protect our people. Just think of the American with Disabilities Act. Or what about the amendments for racial equality and women's suffrage. The fact remains that while some countries do atrocious things, American remains a country that stands up for the rights of it's people, which includes the right to abort their unborn children.

[anonymous]

What law protects the right of the unborn?

What right do we have to kill each other?

Abortion IS a horrible thing. An unborn baby is an American.

An unborn baby dying, screaming, being sucked from the womb and slaughtered IS an atrocious thing.

Who is protecting the right to LIVE?

[anonymous]

The government is protecting the rights of those already born to live. I'm sorry to say part of it is economical, where a 37 year old woman can feed the economy. But the other part is that the grown woman has earned the right to live through all she's done is protected. Or what about the woman who has an accident and conceives? The law is allowing her to escape the pain of having to give birth, give away the child, and hoping that a born being has success. The option of abortion leaves her with freedom, making the whole process easier on her financially and morally. (The reason I include morally is because, while you oppose it, she no doubt would not since she's doing it)

[anonymous]

Earned the right to live?

When you were born, what did you do to deserve that honor, I wonder? Maybe the miracle of conception. Or maybe you were lucky enough to have a mother that realizes you are not another statistic, you are not an inconveience, you are a living and breathing human being who will one day grow up to have their own voice and opinions and maybe even share them.

I don't know how much you know about pain, or medicine. But a baby being chopped up obviously feels much greater and fatal pain than a woman giving birth, especially with the aid of anesthesia or an epidural.

Your final statement about a mother not having any moral opposition to abortion is clearly incorrect, because as I have previously pointed out, many women are forced to have abortions. Nine months of your life versus a lifetime of the unborn child is not an equal trade.

[anonymous]

I did NOTHING to deserve that honor. Neither did you. Neither did the Queen of England. What merits our lives and makes them worthwhile is the love we share during them. A mother who cares to bring a child into the world and is able to will receive the benefits, as will her family. But for a child brought into an family devoid of love, and then given to another family, that is just horrible. I would be CRUSHED if my parents gave me away because they didn't want me. Life would be full of the most depressing questions. It would be a terrible existence. And while I understand that some people are forced to have abortions, it is not like random people bring them to the clinic and do it. These people that make them get abortions are influential people in their lives, people who know what is good for them. Sometimes a painful event is necessary to save someone. You may not understand this, but in the movie Vertical Limit, 2 kids and their dad were hanging from a mountain by a rope and a hook. Since the hook was slipping out from the rock, the fahter knew the only way he could ensure the safety of his 2 kids was to cut his rope and fall to his death, lessening the pressure on the hook, and saving them. While this is Hollywood drama, it still has it's real life applications, and THIS IS ONE OF THEM!

[anonymous]

Well I'm glad you're hear to speak for every adopted person, ever. Why would there be any mothers at all willing to give their children up for adoption if it is so wrong? Because they love their children enough to give them a chance to live and a better future.

You're "Hollywood application" surprisingly seems to apply much more to the pro-life argument than a pro-choice one. A parent making a sacrifice to allow their children the opportunity to live. The sacrifice of lesser means by having to support a child, or the sacrifice of 9 months of being pregnant, or hours of labor, or giving up their child to adoption. So you are right. This is a real life application. And in real life, everyone deserves a chance to experience it.

[anonymous]

The point of the Hollywood application was not a father sacrificing himself for his kids, but of sacrficing one person for the greater good. Cutting away the baby allows the rest of the people hanging on that rope to survive and go on. As for the mothers giving their children up for adoption, they do it because those children have already been brought into the world. Once a child is born, the law defines it as murder to kill him/her. The only option is to send the child away. But for some it is much easier to simply abort. Remember, pro-choice means you have a CHOICE, where u can have the child or you can give it away. You are essentially forcing all mothers, whether it's their wishes or not, to have these children. Think about that, and respect these mothers and what they want. And while you could choose to say that the unborn fetuses don't get the option, they do not have the mental facilities to make a decision, only to feel basic sensations.

[anonymous]

When a child is born, it is the same human being it has been in the womb and will continue to be outside the womb. Less than 12 inches between one woman's legs should not constitute the difference between life and death when the human being has not changed at all.

The pro-life option provides a choice. The choice is if you are capable of caring for a baby, you keep it. If you're not, you allow another person to provide for it.

There are people "alive" now who do to mental retardation and other neurological situations are still incapable of making their own decisions. But they are allowed to live.

[anonymous]

You act like I'm the one who made the idea of abortion and murder different. I did not which I'm sure you know. But, given the standards that the law lays down, I have chosen what to believe. You are trying to live in the utopia that will NEVER exist. You want people to be able to have the child, and it's magically whisked away to a prosperous land. Well guess what. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENS!!! Life is not perfect, and people are forced to make tough decisions. But at least I give them room to do it instead of forcing them to live with a mistake!!!!

[othicbrooke]

I find it extremely funny and ironic how you are actually the one who is so blind you are following everyone else's ideas. These pro choice people you follow have convinced you its okay to murder children and that they stop after a certain point, which they in fact dont. And another thing is by shuting down these clinics we are helping a lot of people in more ways than you could ever imagine. Maybe you forgot that some people are actually forced to have an abortion. We witnessed first hand a girl whose mother dragged her to the clinic to abort her child. The girl was so devastated. By letting these clinics continue we are allowing so many lives to be destroyed. If my mother let me have that much guilt on myself and I had to live with that I think it would be even worse than if my mother beat me. There are so many other options. You can give your child up for an abortion. Another thing we saw was a father who wanted his child so bad but the mother didnt want it and she tried to abort the baby. Theres a destroyed relationship. And if you saw what we have to go through maybe you'd think differently... you try walking down the streets of Pittsburgh with just a handful of people and no one supporting you and we dont back down and run. Your taking the easy way out because you refuse to see the truth or fight against injustice... another way your backing down is by remaining anonymous... thats the easy way out buddy. Have you actually researched your side? and the other side? have you seen visuals or witnessed any of this injustice? Information is the only way to clearly choose which side you are going to support. I pray one day your eyes may be opened to this and its okay to have differences in opinions. I'm not trying to force you to believe what I believe, but I want you to just see the other side for what it really is. God Bless