So Orci's been pretty rude of late to Trek fans...

[that_therapist]

So someone at TrekMovie wrote a good article called Star Trek is broken - Here are ideas on how to fix it (the EDITORIAL was added a few days later). Worth a read if you haven't read it yet. Bob Orci has read it, and did not take it well

Comments

[pmastamonkmonk]

Considering the movie was really only a success because if you took out the Star Trek characters and replaced them with random characters it would still work - therefore appealing to the general masses - I'd say it was a terrible Star Trek Movie.

Let's not even touch on the sexist shit, the terrible stereotypes they've turned the characters into, and the whitewashing.

The staff has definitely let the idea that they got to bring Trek back to the big screen to their heads. Also, they're terrible at writing Star Trek and if they were to make a TV show it would be cancelled within a season for being so terrible. They have no respect for their fans unless they're kissing their asses and really need to be replaced by a decent writing staff.

[mage_989]

the author of the article that there's a reason he (Orci) gets to write movies and he doesn't.Because Orci got lucky nothing more nothing less. Getting your script filmed by the major studios is not automatically an indicator of quality. Especially these days when Hollywood only cares about reusing old material to cash in on the nostalgia factor for an audience

[lousy_science]

Thanks for those articles - interesting stuff.

[that_therapist]

Thanks for those Elliot and Rossio links, very interesting reads! :-)

[mage_989]

You're welcome guys glad you enjoyed them.

[anivad]

yeah, a friend linked me to that a while back.

i've decided that i enjoy media a lot more when i remain happily oblivious to what their creators do or are.

generally i'm too mentally exhausted in that area at the moment by orson scott card and reconciling that with my gayness and eternal love for ender's game.

maybe it's just for now, and the fact that it's 1am here and i'm half asleep, but... it's like i don't care any more. i'm not even angry, just tired. seeing orci's rants were just... well, he's human. humans do and say and believe all kinds of stupid, offensive things. i no longer have the energy to care, and not even in an indifferent, affronted way.

all i know is that:
for all its flaws, i enjoyed and was entertained by into darkness. as i did with 2009's trek. and i love, love, love fringe. orci (and kurtzman and abrams) were responsible in part for all three, and on that criteria - and that alone - i respect them as artists, and know that they are, at times, capable of creating beautiful, good things, things that moved

[serai1]

generally i'm too mentally exhausted in that area at the moment by orson scott card and reconciling that with my gayness and eternal love for ender's game.

I am so freaking glad I never read that book. It was bad enough reconciling myself to the fact of Kelsey Grammar being a teabagging shithole. I'd hate to be having my head explode over a coprocephalic twit like Card.

[anivad]

it's a great book, though. really. I read the book knowing that Card was a homophobe (without details, though, and given that I live in a country where gayness is illegal and most people are homophobes anyway, it honestly wasn't much of a big deal to me); and I went to it wary and on guard for any unexpected attack.

and there were none. and somewhere along the way, I fell in love. and at the end of it my thought was that this was a beautiful, beautiful book, and knowing what OSC was like somehow made it all the more precious. it was like his rare moment of vulnerability.

[ashkitty]

I haven't read it either, because he'd come out as a horrible bigot before I got the chance. A friend gave me a copy of it year ago (from a used bookshop, so it would be helping line the pockets of the poor dreaming sod at the local secondhand instead of the author) and I may get to it someday, because people do seem to really like it. We'll see.

[ashkitty]

Wow. I mean, Bob Orci wrote a movie that was pretty much just about people running around in a panic and some stuff blowing up. It managed to get wrong not only cold fusion, volcanos, and the vacuum of space, but also gravity. Then it invented a portable beaming thing that makes warp drive basically obsolete, and cured death with superblood and a zombie tribble. I'm a reasonably forgiving person and like a lot of cheesy shit, but that script was crap. If there was a greater philosophy in there (which I think there was, and it was mostly yet another post-9/11 terrorist thing) it got pretty much lost, which is not exactly the sign of a great scriptwriter. Fortunately for them the cast are excellent and did the best they could with it.

Also, the 'as Simon Pegg would say, fuck off' thing is not fair of Orci at all. Pegg has already explained that was directed at the journalist asking the question, who was hassling him in the pre-caffeinated morning hours, rather than at fans.

[dracavia]

Agreed on every point. I watched the movie twice in theatres because of seeing it with different people, and I enjoyed it more the second time, but that was mainly because I went in the second time and watched it as mediocre fanfiction rather than as true Trek.

[ashkitty]

Yeah, I mean, there are still parts of it I like, and I have watched far worse things for Chris Pine's eyes. ;) (I liked it better the second time because it was in 2D and not 3D so I could actually tell what was going on.) We watched it at Kismet, and found even more plotholes than I remember. Which--I mean, it's a Star Trek movie, there are going to be plotholes, that's fine. But it's like they didn't care at ALL.

[dracavia]

It's popcorn fare, and when I remind myself of that I'm able to enjoy it because I like the actors and think they do a good job with what they're given. I enjoy Reboot more in an aesthetic sense, but under it's current leadership it's always going to be form without substance compared to the vast majority of it's predecessors.

[darkcrispy]

meanwhile somewhere in the dark UWE BOLL is laughing and muttering in a maniacal voice "yes my puppet tell them!!! muHAHAHAHAAAA: