Thanks, Maxim, for confirming what we already knew: the judges are on crack and don't even know how to work the CoP of the ISU machine!!!
Seriously, his analysis about the spiral and the combined spin makes the mind boggle. I do wonder what explanation they were given for such ridiculous discrepancies...That FS is a subjective sport? That the judges couldn't see them well from where they were sat? Puh-lease!
Knowing this helps to understand why Maxim had the serial killer face on...
Maxim and Tanya are extremely mature about the situation, which makes me respect them so much more than I already did. As true athletes they blame themselves for the second place, not their friends, like Scott did.
i'm such a COP geek, I knowparcfermeDecember 13 2011, 14:59:37 UTC
Yes, judging is often subjective and tech callers are still just relying on their eyes and we know how eyewitness testimony in crime is usually worthless...but in the case of the pair spin at least I don't think it's bad judging. The difference between L3 and L4 can be pretty subjective, but the difference between L1 and L4 is so big that it's more likely they did something that automatically made it unable to get above L1. my ultra-boring cop-geeky breakdown:
In the SP (Link to start of spin), they begin with a camel position, then upright, then change direction/foot, then sit position, then upright.
In the FS (Link to start of spin), they do camel, sit, upright, then change direction/foot, sit and botched the ending upright position.
ISU rules: The following requirements are mandatory for Levels 2 - 4 both in Short Program and in Free Skating: a) for Spin Combinations with change of foot all 3 basic positions;The three basic positions are camel, sit, and upright. The camel and upright positions are clear in both programs, but to
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Re: i'm such a COP geek, I knownijinskaDecember 13 2011, 16:29:57 UTC
I did read! I admire your geek knowledge, and I'm glad there is a rational explanation for this! thanks for the detailed analysis! And yes, I don't get the spiral either. A bit worrying, if the supposedly pin-sharp accuracy of CoP (LOL forever) is marred by this kind of massive cock-up. When the winner is decided by 0.18 of a point, it most certainly matters...
Re: i'm such a COP geek, I knowjessiebananaDecember 13 2011, 20:50:57 UTC
Thank you so much, not geeky at all...or geeky in all the right place ;).
Looking at it they don't get very low in their sit position, so it makes a bit more sense. You do think there would be more flexibility in how a team could achieve a level 2 though.
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Seriously, his analysis about the spiral and the combined spin makes the mind boggle. I do wonder what explanation they were given for such ridiculous discrepancies...That FS is a subjective sport? That the judges couldn't see them well from where they were sat? Puh-lease!
Knowing this helps to understand why Maxim had the serial killer face on...
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In the SP (Link to start of spin), they begin with a camel position, then upright, then change direction/foot, then sit position, then upright.
In the FS (Link to start of spin), they do camel, sit, upright, then change direction/foot, sit and botched the ending upright position.
ISU rules:
The following requirements are mandatory for Levels 2 - 4 both in Short Program and in Free Skating:
a) for Spin Combinations with change of foot all 3 basic positions;The three basic positions are camel, sit, and upright. The camel and upright positions are clear in both programs, but to ( ... )
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And yes, I don't get the spiral either. A bit worrying, if the supposedly pin-sharp accuracy of CoP (LOL forever) is marred by this kind of massive cock-up. When the winner is decided by 0.18 of a point, it most certainly matters...
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Looking at it they don't get very low in their sit position, so it makes a bit more sense. You do think there would be more flexibility in how a team could achieve a level 2 though.
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