Although a lot of Muslim women around the world are forced into submissive roles and covering up is a big part of it; it is not the case for the majority.
Someone said the same thing in an earlier thread. Can you back this up in any way?
How about getting out of your house and actually interacting with these women? Getting to know the MUSLIM PEOPLE and communities is the best insight you can ever have - fuck what newspapers say and other second-hand reports. Like I said, I went to a school with a lot of Muslims; I'm acquainted with lots of Muslims... all of the girls have academic aspirations or want to work somewhere or other and are encouraged to do so, all of them are just as happy and normal and FREE as someone who isn't a Muslim. I don't know a single one who is forced into doing housework or to cover up. The only time I've heard about that happening is in the news.
I have far FAR more experience interacting with Muslim women than going to a school that had many Muslim students. And my experience is not the same as yours.
Hey, I wasn't attacking you or pouncing on you although my rhetorical question might have sounded bitchy lol, I didn't mean for it to come across like that. I was actually offering a real suggestion and I wasn't aiming it at you; rather I was hinting that the problem is we have negative images of women who cover up in our society and so we let those prejudices constrain us from interacting with such women. Maybe if we didn't pre-judge and actually got to know the people rather then rely on what the media told us; we'd have a better insight. Also, what experience do you have with Muslims? I'm interested to know.
On one side, I think the burqa, for the most part, is forced on women. Although, many probably don't know any other life. So, is it really society "forcing" them to wear it? Maybe it's more of a "conditioning" of women. Though, I think that's just as bad.
I think the burqa does stem from the man's penis taking control in a society, but I'm sure there are some women out there who simply want to wear them... but then it goes back full circle to the "that's all they've ever known/tradition/religion" etc.
iawtc. on the whole I agree women should be allowed to wear the burqa but then OTOH it's fucked up that in Saudi Arabia you can get in trouble for wearing an abaya that displays the shape of your body.
The way I see it, feminism and womens' rights are about choice. When you take the choice away, that's what's oppressive. I'm not about to say a woman can't wear whatever the hell she wants for whatever reason she wants and I'm not about to be judgmental about anyone else's culture/religion.
And either way, Sarkozy should keep his fat mouth shut about it - our bodies and clothes are politicized enough as it is.
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Someone said the same thing in an earlier thread. Can you back this up in any way?
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Like I said, I went to a school with a lot of Muslims; I'm acquainted with lots of Muslims... all of the girls have academic aspirations or want to work somewhere or other and are encouraged to do so, all of them are just as happy and normal and FREE as someone who isn't a Muslim. I don't know a single one who is forced into doing housework or to cover up. The only time I've heard about that happening is in the news.
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Also, what experience do you have with Muslims? I'm interested to know.
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On one side, I think the burqa, for the most part, is forced on women. Although, many probably don't know any other life. So, is it really society "forcing" them to wear it? Maybe it's more of a "conditioning" of women. Though, I think that's just as bad.
I think the burqa does stem from the man's penis taking control in a society, but I'm sure there are some women out there who simply want to wear them... but then it goes back full circle to the "that's all they've ever known/tradition/religion" etc.
so idk IDK
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The way I see it, feminism and womens' rights are about choice. When you take the choice away, that's what's oppressive. I'm not about to say a woman can't wear whatever the hell she wants for whatever reason she wants and I'm not about to be judgmental about anyone else's culture/religion.
And either way, Sarkozy should keep his fat mouth shut about it - our bodies and clothes are politicized enough as it is.
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