Minnesota football team ends boycott over sexual assault case

Dec 17, 2016 13:34

Minnesota's university football team have reversed a pledge to boycott games over the suspension of 10 players over an alleged sexual assault.

The team had threatened not to play until the school authorities gave "satisfactory answers".

The university earlier suspended the 10 players without providing any reasons, following an internal inquiry. ( Read more... )

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facecat December 18 2016, 00:56:04 UTC
Definitely should be a criminal matter and also wtf w/the threat to boycott? Really? Go ahead then, don't play. smh

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pairatime December 18 2016, 04:34:34 UTC
Honestly all crimes of this kind (assaults, sexual or not) should be put to a grand jury and not left to the DA.

As for the boycott my understanding is that it was because the players were placed on suspension and no reason was given. Like they were not officially told it was pending an outcome of an investigation or hearing.

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blackjedii December 18 2016, 01:03:32 UTC

OP: Mine main problem is that in no way should the university be investing, holding a trial, hearing or anything of the like for a criminal matter. Those should never be run by private (or public/private) organization.

it's thanks to Title IX, I think.

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pairatime December 18 2016, 04:35:45 UTC
I have a bit of a problem that part of the title then.

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blackjedii December 18 2016, 10:07:23 UTC
It's one of those made with the best of intentions but not necessarily thought through 100% kind of deals. On a good day it allows for rly young rly inexperienced people to address sexual assault in a safer way

and on a bad day you get the UVA rape hoax which is basically going to follow that fraternity, its members, and the college in general for decades.

tl;dr from experience the politics of young people on campus are complicated because they are young people whose brains have not finished forming.

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pairatime December 18 2016, 17:06:12 UTC
it comes down to no perfect answer which is annoying but also life.

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meadowphoenix December 18 2016, 01:19:35 UTC
Mine main problem is that in no way should the university be investing, holding a trial, hearing or anything of the like for a criminal matter. Those should never be run by private (or public/private) organization.

They don't decide whether they go to jail (criminal) or even have to pay money to the victim (civil). They decide what punishments in school such as suspensions or expulsion they should or should not get. They're deciding whether there was a violation of the school's code of conduct, not whether there was a crime. The courts cannot decide this, they have no jurisdiction over it. Even if a court were to find all of them guilty, they could not force the school to expel any of them. In other words, this hearing would happen whether or not there was a criminal investigation and could still happen even if a prosecutor decline to prosecute. Which is good thing ( ... )

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pairatime December 18 2016, 04:41:36 UTC
Okay, I failed to realize that. Still not sure I like it but I think I get it more.

schools have no obligation to report incidences of crime on campuses
this I do have a problem with and honestly not reporting it should make them accessory after the fact or something if there was a crime.

And hopefully, somebody got these idiots together on sexual assault and why they willingness to boycott something like due process is shitty, dumb ass mfs.

I'm annoyed the courts aren't trying it because now we'll never know what really happened. Most of the schools hearing will be sealed, as they often are, and no matter how it turns out there will be finger pointing with no public evidence. Just annoying.

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meadowphoenix December 18 2016, 05:35:33 UTC
Okay, I think there should be some reporting, like it should be public what type and how much crime happens on campuses and I think it should be public when crime happens in or around campuses.

But.

People who want sexual assaults reported to the police very clearly either do not know or are not thinking of the effect this will have on the victim. Suffice it to say that the criminal justice system can be extremely traumatic to victims, just in the investigation phase, let alone the trial phase, and that should not be sprung on them (because once it is sprung the victim has no control) because a college doesn't want to get cited.

Which is to say, although it is infuriating how self-serving school can be when safeguarding their reputation as "safe", this isn't a situation in which it is solely ethical to ignore the desire and wants of the victim, and I don't think anyone's desire to know what's going on should necessarily trump a victim's desire for an option less harmful to them.

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pairatime December 18 2016, 05:47:54 UTC
It's always on the victim to press charges (or should be), without their agreement there is no case because if it's not forced it's not a crime and only the people involved can say if why felt forced or not. But once they say they want to press chargers the public, by which I mean the police and the courts, have to carry it through. Not a private group.

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ohmiya_sg December 18 2016, 02:58:15 UTC
Mine main problem is that in no way should the university be investing, holding a trial, hearing or anything of the like for a criminal matter. Those should never be run by private (or public/private) organization.

A-fucking-men, OP.

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totteringg December 18 2016, 15:32:30 UTC
Reading both reports, the school investigation was way more thorough than what the police did. The school report also said that the police attempted to convince her that she wasn't raped because she wasn't held at gunpoint.

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pairatime December 18 2016, 17:16:23 UTC
Please tell me that state doesn't have some old law that says a gun is needed to call it rape because that is just wrong.

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