Gun Protesters Plan March on Washington With Loaded Rifles to 'Put The Government on Notice'

[mickeym]

Almost 900 people are RSVPed for a July 4th march on Washington, D.C. where protesters plan to carry loaded rifles. In D.C., openly carrying guns is against the law. But the organizer of the event, libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh, says the march is an act of “civil disobedience” that attempts to prove gun advocates’ point in the “SUBTLEST way

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[alexvdl]

That's a pretty simplistic view of the makeup of the fighters in Afghanistan. Sure, there are Pakistanis that cross the border and take place in the fighting, but they don't make up the majority of the rank and file INS you see currently fighting in Afghanistan. You have to keep in mind that a large part of the economy of Afghanistan is centered around opium, which means that in addition to ideological warfare, you're also seeing a lot of narcoterrorism. Since the US tends to leave the whole drug thing alone unless they are in combined ANSF/CF operations spearheaded by GIRoA, you tend to see those groups focus on GIRoA and ANSF officials

[farchivist]

The US Military doesn't have the manpower or the charter to provide police action in the continental US.

When combined with federal, state, and local authorities, I disagree. Granted, there will be problem areas, but proper strategic and tactical planning will resolve those difficulties.

The moment that the Army is used against US citizens you're going to find that the Army is a lot smaller than you expected it to be.

I disagree entirely. I predict a defection of maybe 10-15% at best; more than likely it's going to turn out like the OAS attempt in the Algiers putsch and the vast majority of American soldiers will refuse the call for coup d'etat.

What corporations are going to help? Why would they do so? How does that benefit their bottom line?The Global 500 and Fortune 500 are going to be prominent. Are you not aware that far-conservative rhetoric is that the corporations are all liberal and involved in crony capitalism and thus need to be destroyed? If the rebels win, boom, that's the end of those corporations. All the

[alexvdl]

EDIT: Realized that if I'm advocating the end of the discussion, making new points isn't really kosher.

I'm not advocating for a rebellion/insurrection/what have you. I'm not of the belief that such a thing needs to happen. I'm not picking a side. I'm saying that if it came down to it, the US Military would not be nearly as effective as people in this thread seems to think it would be and that this country wouldn't survive another civil war.

It's obvious that I'm not going to change your mind or Underlanker's. I hope that there never comes a day in which we find out which of us is right. I'd like to thank both of you for having this discussion with me. It was pretty edifying, and I enjoyed it immensely.

[hinoema]

I think you're giving this lot way too much credit for actual capability.

[alexvdl]

I think that assuming that because your enemy is an idiot he can't hurt you and those you care about is a pretty bad idea.

[hinoema]

Oh, I don't doubt that they could do harm. I just think it legitimizes them far too much to refer to 'civil war'. I'm sure they'd love that kind of comparison, to make them feel justified.

[alexvdl]

Oh, not this protest. This protest is dumb.

I was referring to the idea that the government having bigger guns and a standing army means that we have nothing to worry about if things went downhill.

[hinoema]

Ah! Understood. Yeah, a government's ability to kick its' own populations' ass is not exactly a bragging point. XD

I kind of doubt the 'protest' will actually happen. I'm getting a very Westboro vibe.

[underlankers]

No, but it is a cautionary point. Insurgencies against real armies with 21st Century firepower do not and cannot work. The attempt to do so will bring the misery of a useless, foredoomed to fail, poorly-structured set of mass attacks on civilians. If things go downhill, the power of the government's firepower is not the problem, the problem is how things got to that point in the first place. Besides, the people most obsessive about 'tyranny' are most likely to be the NKVD-KGB/SS equivalents of a real one.

[underlankers]

Nobody's saying that. They wouldn't, however, be able to inflict harm where it counts.

[roseofjuly]

This wouldn't be the Civil War; that was two sides with roughly equal resources in terms of weaponry. This would be a small contingent of gun enthusiasts (let's even double the RSVP and say...2,000) vs. the military industrial complex of the U.S., with all their technology and weaponry.

[alexvdl]

You're right. This rally wouldn't be it. As I said to hinoema, this rally is dumb. I was more speaking to the idea that the US government doesn't need to fear it's population just because it has a military industrial complex. The US Military is not a police force. We have enough problems using them as one in Afghanistan. Attempting to use them as one on US soil would not end well.